No bearing on the false and pernicious claim that our nation has no rights?
Read 'em again.
"Any free nation has a right to punish those who have done them an injury." --Thomas Jefferson
"Every nation has a right to govern itself internally under what forms it pleases, and to change these forms at its own will." --Thomas Jefferson
Roscoe's reaction to the libertarian abolitionist Lysander Spooner in this old thread reveals far more about the inner programming of the roscoe-bot than the end-less Rights of Society looping that he has been treating us to lately.
One might conclude from the thread that someone like Roscoe--who needs Judge Rhenquist to tell him right from wrong and froth-mouthingly labels the operators of the underground railroad as terrorists--is beyond hope.
But, ironically, hidden within the stories of John Brown and Lysander Spooner there may be hope for criminals like Roscoe:
John Brown was a fanatical religious zealot. Though Brown's abolitionist cause was just, Brown's conviction as to the justice of his cause was much more the result of the "Holy Spirit" than it was the result of principles of reason, nature, or conscience--which was the source of the convictions of many other abolitionists like Spooner.
If a religious nut like John Brown can figure out right from wrong (by whatever means), then roscoe-bot should be re-programmable to figure it out too. My guess is we just have to reload and re-execute roscoe-bot's scary-preacher initialization functions with code that tells roscoe-bot that he will burn in hell if he keeps mindless-ly following orders issued by criminal bigots like Judge Rhenquist (and his forebears).
Someone needs to invite Roscoe to the next libertarian evangelist tent meeting that rolls into town. When Roscoe finds out about God's punishment for crimes (including traditional crimes), he will likely have a road-to-Damascus-like conversion and be bot-ting for the rights of the individual forthwith.
No bearing on the false and pernicious claim that our nation has no rights? Read 'em again.
"Any free nation has a right to punish those who have done them an injury." --Thomas Jefferson
"Every nation has a right to govern itself internally under what forms it pleases, and to change these forms at its own will." --Thomas Jefferson
Word games roscoe. - Jefferson was obviously using the word 'right' in its meaning as a delegated power. We the people have delegated those powers to our nation in our constitution.
- And addressing Old Tom's second quote, I doubt we could change our guranteed republican form of government without far more than a simple amendment. Such change would be revolutionary.
- Your hoped for communitarian state, for instance, - will never become a reality.
Nations have no rights, they have powers, delegated to them by their citizens.