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Democrats Blast Firms Over Offshore Tax Breaks
Reuters ^ | May 18, 2002 11:15 AM ET | Reuters

Posted on 05/20/2002 2:54:57 AM PDT by Action-America

This should be titled
"Democrats Spread Lies About Expatriation"

(Note:  I took the liberty of highlighting the BIG LIE in this article.)

Reuters.com

Democrats Blast Firms Over Offshore Tax Breaks

May 18, 2002 11:15 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats on Saturday said U.S. companies seeking to avoid paying millions of dollars in taxes by moving their headquarters to offshore tax havens were "unpatriotic" and called for legislation to stop the practice.

"The tax dodgers may set up paper headquarters in Bermuda, but they continue operating in the United States," said Rep. Jim Maloney of Connecticut in the weekly Democratic radio address.

"They still receive federal, state and local services such as police, fire and public schools," he added. "And, of course, they still rely on the protection of our courageous Armed Services, here at home, and around the world. The only difference is: they now get it all for free, while U.S. citizens and loyal U.S. companies are paying the bill.

"This is unpatriotic, especially in light of our current economic situation," he added.

Maloney said he and Rep. Richard Neal, a Massachusetts Democrat, have sponsored legislation designed to stop companies from moving offshore for tax reasons.

"Our bill simply says that corporate expatriates, who are U.S. companies in fact, must continue to pay their fair share of U.S. taxes," Maloney said.

Similar bipartisan legislation has been introduced in the Senate, but it is unclear whether Congress will enact such a bill. House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Bill Thomas, a California Republican, has said he plans for the tax writing committee to examine the U.S. corporate tax structure and ways to help U.S. firms compete in international markets.

 


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: axixofevil; capitalflight; corporate; corporation; expatriate; expatriation; income; irs; nrst; offshore; reincorporation; tax; taxreform
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Once again, the democrats are using what klinton taught them.  They're LYING!

Reuters is doing what the liberal media always does.  They're covering up those lies.

Note that mixed in carefully among the name-calling and class envy, was a blatant, unmitigated LIE!  The democrats state that, "The only difference is: they now get it all for free...", as if moving their incorporation offshore excuses companies of all taxes.  This is typical democrat strategy.  Mix in just one blatant lie that you want the public to focus on, among lots of name calling and class envy.  If you do it well, then friendly liberal media sources, like Reuters will not point out the lie or challenge it in any way.

In this case, the one thing that they want the uninformed masses to take away from all of this, is the false impression that when companies reincorporate offshore, they suddenly have to pay no tax at all (Notice the reference to getting all of their US services for free).  Of course, Reuters made no attempt anywhere in that article to point that those companies do continue to pay tax on all of their US sourced income.  They just let that lie stand unchallenged.

There is also an unspoken lie in that article, as well.  They call the corporations that leave "unpatriotic", in order to stir up class envy among the poor and middle class.  Yet again, Reuters covers up this misconception by making no mention of the fact that the US stockholders of those companies have to vote to approve such measures.

The final lie is the implied lie, that legislation can force companies to stay here.  In fact, it is past legislation by those same bodies of government, designed to force companies to stay here, that is responsible for the current level of capital flight and offshore reincorporation and further such laws will only make matters worse.  But, don't expect to see Reuters point that out.

In fact, no country has ever figured out a way to force capital to stay anywhere.  The more they tighten their grip, the more wealth slips through their fingers.

The only way to keep wealth here is to repeal all of the "force" laws and replace them with "enticement" laws.  We should encourage and reward, rather than discourage and penalize.

The single biggest step that we could take in that direction would be the passage of the National Retail Sales Tax NRST.  It would not only stop both corporate and individual expatriation, but it would encourage much previously expatriated wealth to return.

 

1 posted on 05/20/2002 2:54:58 AM PDT by Action-America
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To: Action-America
They call the corporations that leave "unpatriotic", in order to stir up class envy among the poor and middle class.

I had a fellow Freeper call me 'unpatriotic' because I was complaining about paying so much in taxes. That's the term used by the desperate sheeple when they have no leg to stand on.

We need a NRST now!!

2 posted on 05/20/2002 3:00:55 AM PDT by Pern
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To: Taxreform
Tax Reform BUMP!

The Dems are lying again.  (Yeah, I know.  So, what's new?)

 

3 posted on 05/20/2002 3:18:09 AM PDT by Action-America
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To: Action-America
I'm sick of the Government line, "There's money changing hands, and we're not getting our cut."

I just bought a canoe and put an electric trolling motor on it. Now I have to register it as a motor vehicle - and of course, pay 'rent' to the government every year so I can use it. I tried to give a car to my brother a few years ago. Turns out, I couldn't 'give' it to him, but had to state that I sold it to him for a minimum of $100 - so the stinking organized crime that is our Government could get their cut.

Businesses are getting out of taxes legally? GOOD!!!! More @#$%!! power to them!!! I now order everything I can over the internet, from another state, so I don't have to send the Government their cut. HA!

Let them find a way to cut some of the crap they give our money to, or raise taxes until they have a revolt on their hands.
4 posted on 05/20/2002 3:30:10 AM PDT by itzmygun
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To: Pern
Fact is there are a lot of people in the United States that get these protections without paying taxes!So why not a flat tax on everything sold and then regardless everyone would pay taxes.
5 posted on 05/20/2002 3:36:56 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: Action-America
Right now, everything we buy costs 22% more because of the IRS - no matter where it comes from, and even if it is "tax free". That is what the IRS costs us just in regulatory and administrative charges that the retailers pass on to the consumer. If we had a 13% Flat Tax like Russia, we'd be saving 9% on every transaction. How many billions of dollars is that annually?
6 posted on 05/20/2002 4:05:51 AM PDT by 11B3
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To: 11B3
If we had a 13% Flat Tax like Russia,

Of course Russian business taxes are so high, above 100% in some places, that most businesses have to keep two sets of books, one for real and one for the tax inspectors. They also budget in bribes, booze and hookers for when the inspectors come around.

That's one reason it was so easy for them to go after Gusinsky when they wanted to stop his media empire from not toeing the party line (his empire is now run by a state-controlled company). Every company is guilty of financial shadiness, so you can go after any of them at any time.

7 posted on 05/20/2002 5:18:58 AM PDT by Quila
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To: itzmygun
I tried to give a car to my brother a few years ago. Turns out, I couldn't 'give' it to him, but had to state that I sold it to him for a minimum of $100 - so the stinking organized crime that is our Government could get their cut.

What the soccer moms and other useful idiots fail to grasp is that corporations do not pay taxes. They pass them on to the consumer in the form of higher prices. The fools that are so easily swayed by class warfare tactics are too stupid to figure this out. When the taxes that corporations have to collect are high, they either have to raise prices, which costs us more, or they have to cut expenses, which usually comes in the for of job cuts or canceling raises or reducing benefits for their employees. Every time class warfare tactics are used, it is vital to label these fools for the jealous and greedy whiners that they are.

8 posted on 05/20/2002 5:33:26 AM PDT by Orangedog
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To: Pern
The only controversy about offshore incorporation is - How can I get in on this! The offshore movement is a sign that taxes are just too high.
9 posted on 05/20/2002 7:21:03 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: Dialup Llama
I thought about getting in on it, too. But between bills and taxes, I don't make enough to hide anything!
10 posted on 05/20/2002 7:32:49 AM PDT by Pern
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To: Action-America
I believe the impetus behind this whole mess is Stanley Works proposed move of their corporate headquarters to Bermuda. Stanley, which is headquarted in New Britain, CT, just happens to be in Baloney's future district (if he happens to beat out the RINO Johnson in the upcoming election for the recently combined district) and is a convenient rallying point for him. BTW, Johnson also opposes the move.

The CT state RATs just don't understand why Stanley doesn't want to pay taxes on both their domestic and foreign sales, something their overseas competitors do not have to deal with, and are trying to portray it as somehow being unpatriotic. Instead of making it more attractive for Stanley to stay here, they want vilify them for not wanting to pay more taxes. Our "Attorney General" little dick blumenthal has filed and injunction to prevent the move ostensibly becausee the state hold a good amount of Stanley stock. Of course, he would file a lawsuit againts deciduous trees to prevent them from dropping their leaves in the fall if it would get his mug in the news.

If the move offshore is denied, I'm hoping Stanley will at least move to another state with far more reasonable state taxes and leave CT high and dry. Sometimes things need to get worse before they get better.

11 posted on 05/20/2002 7:41:32 AM PDT by LoneGOPinCT
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To: Pern
I thought about getting in on it, too. But between bills and taxes, I don't make enough to hide anything!

I'm in your boat :^)

If I could only find a good cash business...

12 posted on 05/20/2002 7:43:09 AM PDT by LoneGOPinCT
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To: LoneGOPinCT
A legal cash business. But there's no such animal.
13 posted on 05/20/2002 7:53:10 AM PDT by Pern
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To: #1CTYankee; .303 Brit; 2nd amendment mama; 2Trievers; AGBRUHN; always vigilant; Andonius_99...
CT/Stanley Works Bump!

If any one would like to be removed from my CT Bump list, please let me know and it will be done ASAP. Conversely, if you would like to be added the same holds true.

14 posted on 05/20/2002 7:56:26 AM PDT by LoneGOPinCT
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To: Pern
A legal cash business. But there's no such animal.

Ahhhh, but notice I only said good. :^)

Around here, guys do pretty well with mowing and snowplowing. Right now, I only dabble. I may have to get a little more involved! The pizza guy up the street from us does very well for himself. I never thought there was that much money in pizza, but when you only claim 50% of your earnings it adds up fast!

15 posted on 05/20/2002 8:03:32 AM PDT by LoneGOPinCT
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To: Quila
Find out about the Channel Islands, Guernsey and Jersey, about 70 miles from the coast of France. There are channel Islands by California USA and they are not the ones I'm speaking of. The Channel Islands to which I refer are a British protectorate, are expected to give allegiance to Britian, but the British parliament does not write laws for them; they write their own laws. They have a 20% flat tax, and no inheritance taxes. The standard of living is high. There is no national debt. How do they manage not to have a national debt? By the government spending debt free currency into the economy the way JFK tried to before his murder, with their equivalent of debt-free United States Notes. They do not borrow their currency from banks at interest the way we do. I have yet to confirm this but I have heard it rumored that they do not have inflation.
16 posted on 05/20/2002 8:05:03 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: Action-America
Maloney said he and Rep. Richard Neal, a Massachusetts Democrat, have sponsored legislation designed to stop companies from moving offshore for tax reasons.

The best legislation they could propose would reduce both the rate and the complexity of the tax code. Of course, being democRATs, they wouldn't ever consider that.

Businesses don't really pay taxes anyway. Their taxes are just another cost of doing business that gets passed along to their customers.

17 posted on 05/20/2002 8:15:03 AM PDT by Bob
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To: LoneGOPinCT
What a great state Ct is to do business in. Pay the highest taxes and get sued by the ATTY General (tobacco, Microsoft, Stanley)... one day we wake up and find every major corporation has moved and we will wonder why.
18 posted on 05/20/2002 8:19:53 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Bob
I think it a good time to ask that they also consider the patriotism of certain former administration officials and their relatives who hold off-shore accounts. Especially those Rodhams and Chelsea Clinton.
19 posted on 05/20/2002 8:25:58 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: 11B3
A flat income tax? Would the costs of the IRS go away under a flat tax? I don't think so.

Further, embedded taxes (so called "business" taxes) would be paid by consumers in prices and by workers through lower wages.

A flat income tax is still an income tax. It still requires the IRS. It still requires payroll taxes totaling 15.3%. It still requires withholding (I hate withholding!)

That's 13% tax and 15% payroll for 28%. Then add the costs of the IRS. THen remember to keep your records for 7 years. THen remember that the IRS can put you in jail for making an honest mistake. THen remember the IRS definition of "income" and "expense" and "deduction".... ad infinitem

With an IRS, freedom is at risk. THe only way to eliminate the IRS is to eliminate the income tax code... all of it.

20 posted on 05/20/2002 8:26:20 AM PDT by Principled
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