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Sept. 11 probe: Wiretaps in Italy hear pair talk of `terrifying' plan by a `madman'
Yahoo ^ | Tue May 28 | PIERO VALSECCHI

Posted on 05/28/2002 4:07:45 PM PDT by gubamyster

Tue May 28, 5:12 PM ET By PIERO VALSECCHI, Associated Press Writer

MILAN, Italy - Analyses of wiretapped conversations between a sheik from Yemen and the leader of a Milan mosque have turned up what police now believe are chilling predictions of the Sept. 11 attacks, including a boast of a terrifying operation by a "madman," apparently a reference to Osama bin-Laden.

Milan daily Corriere della Sera Tuesday ran excerpts of transcripts of the conversations, which took place in 2000 and 2001 before the attacks.

The conversations were between Abdulsalam Abdulrahman, the sheik, who had traveled to Italy, and Abdelkader Mahmoud Es Sayed, who fled from Italy two months before the attacks and is considered by the United States to be the organizer of al-Qaida's cell, bin Laden's network, in Milan.

Es Sayed, an Egyptian national, was convicted of the 1997 massacre at Luxor in which 58 foreign tourists were killed.

The chief of the Milan office of DIGOS, Italy's anti-terrorism police, confirmed that the transcripts were accurate. Massimo Mazza told The Associated Press that the transcripts were turned over a few days ago to Prosecutor Stefano Dambruoso, who is leading Italy's probe into Italian-based al-Qaida operatives.

In one conversation, in summer 2000, the sheik tells the imam: "In the future, listen to the news and remember these words: `above the head.'"

The sheik says the action will be "one of those strikes that you never forget." He added that it will be a "terrifying thing, it will move from south to north, from east to west. He who made this plan is a madman, but a genius. It will turn you to ice."

The sheik also says: "Ah, yes, there are big clouds in the sky, there in that country, the fire is already lit and it's just waiting for the wing....All the newspapers in the world will write about it."

Mazza told The Ap that investigators had a hard time understanding, before Sept. 11, what the men were talking about.

"After what happened, it's now easy to draw conclusions ... but before, it was difficult to understand."

The taps were made from bugging places where the two men were, not taps of telephone lines, meaning it took a long time to remove extraneous noise from the taps and translate them.

Corriere della Sera reported that the FBI (news - web sites) helped Italian experts in deciphering the bugged conversations.

According to a transcript of a January 2001 conversation between the imam and a Tunisian who was later arrested in Milan by Italy's anti-terrorist police, there is discussion of false documents.

The Tunisian asks: "Are they needed for our brothers who will go in the United States?"

"Don't ever repeat these words!" the imam warns.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abdulrahman; benattia; chekkouri; espionagelist; essayed; france; italy; jaffa; luxor; notredameplot; remadna; terrorists; terrorwar
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1 posted on 05/28/2002 4:07:45 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
Evidently the whole freaking world knew... except the FBI.
2 posted on 05/28/2002 4:11:07 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: gubamyster
Course on the other hand perhaps he was talking about something else :) Who knows...lets hope that is what he meant.
3 posted on 05/28/2002 4:11:22 PM PDT by Lucas1
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Yeah well if the lady in Minnesota is right...perhaps they did know a lot more than we think.
4 posted on 05/28/2002 4:13:21 PM PDT by Lucas1
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Abdulsalam Abdulrahman

Say This Five Times Fast!
5 posted on 05/28/2002 4:14:20 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
You couldn't tell from those conversations what was planned or where.
6 posted on 05/28/2002 4:14:37 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: gubamyster
I can hear Hillary now: "What did the Italians know, and when did they know it?!!"
7 posted on 05/28/2002 4:15:36 PM PDT by moyden
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To: Dog Gone
No kidding. All it sounds like are the rantings of a "mad man".
8 posted on 05/28/2002 4:19:35 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: Dark Wing
ping
9 posted on 05/28/2002 4:20:27 PM PDT by Thud
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To: terilyn;Dog Gone
"above the head"

What the heck does that mean??

10 posted on 05/28/2002 4:23:48 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Dog
I guess, in hindsight, it means an attack from the air. But it certainly would have been "over our head" if we were eavesdropping at the time.
11 posted on 05/28/2002 4:25:51 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: terrorwar; lion's cub; knighthawk
Indexing.
12 posted on 05/28/2002 4:26:09 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Dog
"above the head"

...a turban?

13 posted on 05/28/2002 4:38:12 PM PDT by Aim small miss small
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To: gubamyster
Again: what in blue hell is any of this crap worth now ??
14 posted on 05/28/2002 4:41:08 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: Dog
Or, if the White House was a target as is now speculated from the Flight 93 tapes, it could mean the "head" of the U.S., ie the President?

Who knows, maybe the attack would be "above the head" of the Statue of Liberty as they crashed into the WTC.

15 posted on 05/28/2002 4:41:29 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
What this article fails to say is:

Yes, the taped conversations took place in early 2001 and so Italian police and intelligence sources knew of their existence for some time. However, they have only recently been translated and given to U.S. authorities.

The reasons given:

The tapes were difficult to hear due to lots of background noise and the terrorists spoke to each other in a little known or little used dialect.

So the whole world didn't know after all. Even if the tapes had been translated, transcribed and given to us earlier there is still not enough information on them for anyuone to determine the type of monsterous act they were planning.

16 posted on 05/28/2002 4:42:51 PM PDT by Darlin'
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To: Darlin'
The whole world may not have known. But apparently a whole lot of Moslems knew, including the head of the main mosque in Milan. And he at least -- and I assume virtually all the others who were in the know -- seem to have thought of it as a religious duty to keep the secret.
17 posted on 05/28/2002 4:44:53 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: *espionage_list
*Index Bump
18 posted on 05/28/2002 4:46:44 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: gubamyster
"terrifying thing, it will move from south to north, from east to west

This is exerpt from Osama tape translation Here

"This is America, God has sent one of the attacks by God and has attacked one of its best buildings. And this is America filled with fear from the north, south, east and west, thank God."

19 posted on 05/28/2002 4:58:24 PM PDT by snippy_about_it
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To: Dog
Higher than the head of the statue of liberty? Remember that calendar from Holland?
20 posted on 05/28/2002 4:59:01 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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