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How Dissident "Catholic" Groups are Trying to Make Gains from the Scandal
Living His Life Abundantly web site ^ | 5/30/02 | Antoninus

Posted on 05/30/2002 11:03:34 AM PDT by Antoninus

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Ok, who's game?
1 posted on 05/30/2002 11:03:35 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Here is some information on...

Call to Action

Website: http://www.cta-usa.org/

Email address: cta@cta-usa.org

Physical Address:

Call To Action
2135 W. Roscoe 1N
Chicago, IL 60618 [In Cardinal Bernadin's old stomping ground??]
Phone: 773-404-0004
Fax:  773-404-1610

And here's some data from their web site about their "mission"...

Rooted in Church Teaching [Ha, ha, that's a good one!]

Call To Action is an organization of Catholics based on the teaching of the universal church in the second half of the 20th Century. It is a response to the challenge of the Second Vatican Council, held between 1962 and 1965, for all members to "scrutinize the signs of the times" and respond in the light of the gospel. The council provided a wake-up call for lay Catholics who had tended to defer initiatives entirely to the clergy.

Then in 1971 Pope Paul VI emphasized that it is the laity who have received the primary "Call To Action" to create a more just world. That same year the international synod of the bishops issued an unusually brief and clear document. It declared that "action on behalf of justice and participation in the transformation of the world appears to us as a constitutive dimension of the preaching of the gospel." And, cautioned the synod, "The church recognizes that anyone who ventures to speak to people about justice must first be just in their eyes; hence, we must undertake an examination of the modes of action, of the possessions, and of the lifestyle found within the church itself."

The 1976 Detroit Call To Action

Following up on this mandate, the U.S. bishops on their return home from the synod launched a creative consultation process . Over 800,000 Catholics testified during two years of hearings, which culminated in the U.S. bishops' Call To Action Conference in Detroit in 1976, held in conjunction with the American Bicentennial. More than 100 bishops were among the 1,340 voting delegates and the 1,500 observers. At the end of three momentous days of discussion and debate, the assembly declared the church must stand up to the chronic racism, sexism, militarism and poverty in modern society. And to do so in a credible way the church must reevaluate its positions on issues like celibacy for priests, the male-only clergy, homosexuality, birth control, and the involvement of every level of the church in important decisions. The Detroit conference recommended that each diocese take the recommendations home and act upon them.

Well, that should tell you all you need to know about these creeps. In another post, I'll give some details about who their leaders are...
2 posted on 05/30/2002 11:13:39 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
They are apparently 'gay-friendly'

No power on Earth can convince me the Church itself hasn't been gay friendly lately.

3 posted on 05/30/2002 11:14:24 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Antoninus
bump to end their call. Vs wife.
4 posted on 05/30/2002 11:15:20 AM PDT by ventana
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To: Antoninus
I am;this is really important.

It may be that this entire scandal broke when it did,in order to provide an oppurtunity for them to dramatically change the Catholic Church into a secular,progressive,community church that is comfortable in the world and is obedient to government,not God.

5 posted on 05/30/2002 11:25:08 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: Antoninus
Count me in and please keep me informed. Thank you.
6 posted on 05/30/2002 11:27:00 AM PDT by Gerish
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To: weikel
No power on Earth can convince me the Church itself hasn't been gay friendly lately

That's stupid. Some bishops have been so, some are afflicted themselves with the disorder. Unfortunately when homosexuals find themselves in positions of authority they staff the positions under their control with homosexuals and it spreads until it gets rooted out which operation has begun. The Church does not just take out all the offenders and shoot them, however. It is a 2000 year old organization and thinks in generations, not election cycles.

7 posted on 05/30/2002 11:35:41 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: Antoninus
Call to Action is a ridiculous bunch of aging liberals trotting out the usual predictable nonsense. Most of them are in their sixties, at least, and I'll wager that there aren't a whole lot of younger members beating down the doors. The future isn't on their side, and they know it - after all, it's the conservative seminaries and religious orders that are getting vocations, not their First Church of the Gay Liberal.

It should be pointed out that it was precisely their ideas that brought this situation about in the first place. Had the clergy been genuninely celibate and obedient in to the Church in faith and morals, none of this would have happened.

8 posted on 05/30/2002 11:38:14 AM PDT by livius
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To: Antoninus
Also from the Call to Action web site...

"...CTA News contains fuller analysis and readers' views on church and social justice matters. Spirituality /Justice Reprint shares inspiration from present-day prophets such as Sr. Joan Chittister, Archbishop Rembert Weakland, Charles Curran and Rosemary Ruether. Taking advantage of developing communications technology, CTA established a web site during 1995 at http://call-to-action.org."

In case you didn't know, Call to Action's "present day prophets" are...

Sr. Joan Chittister - Joanie-One-Note goes around the country, the world, and basically anyone who will listen evangelizing the Gospel of priestesses. She has openly defied Vatican orders to cease.

Ex-Archbishop Rembert Weakland - Well, most of you know about this guy, who BlackElk not-so-delicately nicknamed 'Rectalbert'. If he remembers how to say the Hail, Mary, it would be a big suprise, honestly.

"Father" Charles Curran - Deemed the #1 dissenter in the Catholic Church in the US, "Father" Curran is a rebel against Humanae Vitae who the Vatican stripped of the title "theologian." Here's a good article on him.

Rosemary Ruether - A world class 'femniac' and Hans Kung suck-up who denies papal infallibility, supports "Dignity" (the Gays are OK group condemned by the Church), and just about any other wacky left-wing, anti-Vatican cause you can think of. She's also the Georgia Harkness Professor of Applied Theology at Garrett-Evangelical Theological Seminary in Evanston, Illinois. [Amazing how these creeps end up in high places, isn't it?]
9 posted on 05/30/2002 11:43:29 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Siobhan
Would you be so kind as to bump this to the whole list please?

Gracias!
10 posted on 05/30/2002 11:45:01 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: BlackElk; Claud; Patent; Polycarp
Care to help out with this informational thread?
11 posted on 05/30/2002 11:46:30 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Perhaps some area Freepers could show up and protest them.

Has the USCCB even announced the hotel at which the meetings will take place?

The meetings will, no doubt have very tight security, and the Call to Action people won't get anywhere near the bishops.

From what I've read, the bishops are inviting in some outside experts on child sexual abuse, and some of the victims, to address them.

They are NOT going to entertain speeches from outside interest groups.

12 posted on 05/30/2002 11:52:27 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Antoninus
Call to Action and other dissidents have developed a very close working relationship with the liberal press. Whenever the press wants a "Catholic" to quote, they turn to these people. The NY Times loved Fr. Curran, Fr. McBrien, Catholics for Free Choice, Mary Daley, Cdl Bernardin, Bishop Weakland, and the rest of the gang.

So, yes, I'm sure the campaign against pedophile priests was orchestrated by liberals hoping to weaken and discredit the Church. The announced goals were to eliminate clerical celibacy and bring in women priests, and in the early days the Boston Globe and the rest of the press pushed this agenda hard--including the liberal editor of The Pilot, Boston's diocesan newspaper, who was recently fired for writing an article on that subject.

IMHO the campaign has backfired serious on its perpetrators. It's been about as successful as the Enron campaign and the "What did Bush Know?" campaign. The results will be exactly opposite from what they intended. Instead, it has put the heat on homosexual priests and tolerant bishops. In the end, the scandal is likely to prove healthy for the Church, because it provides the impetus to clean out this nest of perverts and traitors.

No, they won't all get cleaned out. In this world, nothing is ever perfect. But the Church will end up in much better shape than it was before the scandal broke.

13 posted on 05/30/2002 12:15:32 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: *Homosexual Agenda
Ping
14 posted on 05/30/2002 12:24:26 PM PDT by EdReform
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To: Antoninus
I encourage others to add what they know.
Here's a link to an article in the Dallas News about Call to Action's opposition to a zero-tolerance policy.
15 posted on 05/30/2002 12:29:46 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: Antoninus
Liberal Catholic Group Speaks Out

By RICHARD N. OSTLING
AP Religion Writer

A liberal Roman Catholic group on Wednesday came out against the adoption of a "zero tolerance" policy toward child-molesting priests, saying those who commit misdemeanors may deserve a second chance.

Call to Action, an organization that claims 25,000 members in 40 chapters, mailed its recommendations May 15 to America's bishops, who are scheduled to meet in mid-June to set new policies on sexual abuse by priests. Disagreement over "zero tolerance" is expected at the meeting.

Church critics and many victims' advocates have demanded expulsion for any priest guilty of molestation, with no second chance allowed.

The Chicago-based group agreed that those convicted of felonies should be automatically defrocked, but said some discretion is needed for priests who commit lesser offenses.

"Zero tolerance policies are generally revised after ridiculous outcomes, such as expelling a second-grader who brings a plastic knife to school," said Linda Pieczynski, a Call to Action spokeswoman and former Illinois prosecutor.

"Distinguishing the seriousness of an offense based on whether it is a felony or misdemeanor is an objective standard that has worked well in the legal system for over 200 years."

The group also said the bishops' new policy should include prompt reporting of allegations to police; immediate suspension of accused priests; independent review boards in each diocese and a national review board; and public disclosure of the names of all perpetrators past and present.

With sexual misdemeanors, it said, a priest should serve any criminal sentence and undergo therapy, after which an independent church review board would decide whether he should be reassigned to active ministry. If the priest were reassigned, the church would publicize his past offenses.

David Clohessy, director of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, said his organization believes that "if someone molests a child even once, they shouldn't be a priest."

16 posted on 05/30/2002 12:33:02 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: sinkspur
They are NOT going to entertain speeches from outside interest groups.

True; and unfortunate. As Chairman of ABE Ministries (Against Basically Everything) I had prepared a firey speech peppered with adamantine analogies, dyspeptic denunciations, numinous non sequiturs and incandescent irrationalities that I was prepared to deliver in an obstreperous rant castigating everything that has happened since the Thirteenth Century and now it looks like all my work has come to naught and the Bishops will content themselves listening with faux interest to "experts" ceaselessly droning, blathering, dithering and temporising about "norms, programs, committees, canon law," blah, blah, blah...

Had they accepted my offer, sparks would have flown, calumnies been shrieked and the possibility of an entertaining fist-fight would not have been so remote that Vegas would have taken if off the Board. It's their loss...

17 posted on 05/30/2002 12:34:04 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: sinkspur
Has the USCCB even announced the hotel at which the meetings will take place?
The semi-annual meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops will be held at the Fairmont Hotel in Dallas, Texas, from June 13 to June 15.
They are NOT going to entertain speeches from outside interest groups.
No, but you can still make your voice heard as follows:
Most Reverend Wilton D. Gregory
President
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
3211 4th Street, N.E.
Washington, DC 20017-1194 Tel: (202) 541-3000
or
Most Reverend Wilton D. Gregory
President
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
c/o Diocese of Belleville
222 South Third Street
Belleville, IL 62220

Tel: (618) 277-8181
Fax: (618) 277-0387

Happy FReeping! : )
18 posted on 05/30/2002 12:57:48 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: sinkspur
The meetings will, no doubt have very tight security, and the Call to Action people won't get anywhere near the bishops....They are NOT going to entertain speeches from outside interest groups.

Maybe not, but you can bet if these people are on site, they'll be making their presence known and be splashed all over the press as 'official' spokesmen for the Catholic Church. Their spin will be the one that the ordinary Catholic in Scanton, Detroit, and Tacoma sees.

I think it would be great if local Dallas Catholics could get together SPECIFICALLY to protest groups like Call-to-Action and call upon the Bishops to remove dissenters from any position of authority.
19 posted on 05/30/2002 1:15:44 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: BlessedBeGod
Liberal Catholic Group Speaks Out
By RICHARD N. OSTLING
AP Religion Writer

Actually, the most amazing thing about this article is that the AP actually called them a "Liberal Catholic Group." Of course, they're more like a "Radical Left-wing Extremist Catholic Group" but we'll take what we can get.
20 posted on 05/30/2002 1:18:00 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: weikel
BUT, with all due respect, Weikel, you are not Catholic and hence your opinions are maximally irrelevant on the subject of internal Church governance, not that we Catholics are otherwise attempting to set up a democracy on morality among ourselves either. We have the Truth and we don't have to voe on it. We will take care of our own problems and our own sinners, thank you very much. We don't need Call to Action heretics within or socially liberal materialists without to show us the way. Thanks anyway for your concern.
21 posted on 05/30/2002 1:19:31 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: Antoninus
Isn't that radical leftwing extremist satanic and Kumbaya pseudo-Catholic group?
23 posted on 05/30/2002 1:21:08 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
Technically I am Catholic... technically( I'm too lazy to walk over to the nearest church and tell them I'm out).
24 posted on 05/30/2002 1:21:28 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Antoninus
I propose that we use this thread as a storehouse of information on such dissenting groups -- who they are and what they're doing.
Axios (Eastern-Rite Catholics and Orthodox G/L)

Corpus (Roman Catholic Priestesses)

Dignity (Roman Catholic G/L)

National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian & Gay Ministries (Roman Catholic G/L)

New Ways Ministry (Roman Catholic G/L)

25 posted on 05/30/2002 1:22:53 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: sinkspur
Well, here we go again.

This meeting of AmChurch bishops, terribly afraid that effective action against pedophiles, pederasts and other perverts in the priesthood and in their own ranks or effective action against the enablers among them or effective action among the raving leftist heretics among them who make despising Catholicism their true profession while wondering over how their pal Father Lance could possibly have been diddling a series of little Johnnies, will now come to order. We have banned the press and media from, ummm, certain parts of our meeting, lest they report what mushballs we truly are as we agonize over what just happened to poor Rectalbert just because he championed all things alternative to Catholicism (like many or most American bishops) and because he was (sniff, sniff) so sensitively involved, (nose blowing in the background) so intimately involved in a loving personal ministry to a young artiste roughly of the male persuasion with a very strong lavender overlay. Even $450,000 of the money of the rubes in the pews was not enough (sob, sob). If they can do this to our Rectalbert, how many of us are safe from all this icky nosiness.

Roger Cardinal Mahoney: I move that we hear from the enlightened folks at the American Psychiatric Association. They were enlightened enough to stop, by democratic vote, referring to Rectalbert's and Paul's powerfully loving witness against God to no longer be evidence of mental illness. All they had to do was say so. Nobody loses and everyone gets prizes!!!!

William Cardinal Keeler: I second the motion. Can we also hear from the American Psychological Association? can we also do this quick? After all, Saturday night is date night and we are in Dallas where the action has been from the size of judgments handed down here.

Bernard Cardinal Law: We have arranged for bail for Father Paul Shanley, a definite expert in the area under discussion and a progressive in other areas too. Father will help us to understand Little Johnny's need for the NAMBLA treatment before 8, etc. I want this speeded up too. I can't be sure how long I will be free.

Unidentified voice: I think gay married priests might be the thing although monogamy is sooooo boring. Whatever we do, don't let all this scandal slow our progress. If we lose momentum and Rome acts efficiently, the catholics might be back in control.

Well, you get the picture.

26 posted on 05/30/2002 1:42:31 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: weikel
With all due respect, if you are in a state of mortal sin, unrepented, you have excommunicated yourself until you have received absolution.
27 posted on 05/30/2002 1:44:31 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: Antoninus
You know, we could make good money by emulating baseball cards and issuing AmChurch heretic cards. Unflattering photo on the front. Grisly career details on the back. We could detail stats on convictions and lawsuit payouts. We could balance this by issuing Catholic cards too but the set would be a little small, all things considered, if we are going to rely on hierarchy at this time.
28 posted on 05/30/2002 1:49:24 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
Yeah but I am still "on the books" as a catholic you know.
29 posted on 05/30/2002 2:22:02 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Antoninus
Of Regional interest (Cincinnati), from the November/December 1998 issue of the St. Catherine Review:
AUXILIARY BISHOP CARL MOEDDEL of Cincinnati held three regional meetings in his archdiocese with homosexual activists and parents of homosexual children to promote the recent U.S. bishops' pastoral letter, Always Our Children (AOC).... Meeting attendees were also introduced to a "new educational project within the Archdiocese of Cincinnati" called "Concerned Catholics for Gay/Lesbian Inclusion" (CCGLI). According to CCGLI’s promotional literature, the project’s goals are as follows:
1. To educate all parishioners on the total Church teaching with regard to homosexuality and the responsibility of Catholics toward gay men and lesbians;

2. To share and witness the faith journey of gay/lesbian persons, their families and friends;

3. To begin the dialogue so parishioners have a means of communicating on an emotional issue;

4. [To] Develop a list of resources (speakers, video and audio tapes, books, etc.). These resources would also include the stories of gay men and lesbians in the Church so people can relate to their journeys; and

5. [To] Establish a referral list of parishes and Catholic organizations where Always Our Children is embraced.

CCGLI has the blessing of Archbishop Daniel E. Pilarczykof Cincinnati.

Parents and others who attended the meeting were also given a list of therapists "who are gay-friendly/sensitive," including Kevin Prendergast at Catholic Social Services. The list was prepared by Kathy Laufman, a representative of GLSEN, the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network. GLSEN is a national homosexual activist organization devoted to fighting for "sexual orientation rights" in schools.

N.B. Auxilliary Bishop Moeddel is a guest speaker this September at the 2002 National Conference in Cincinnati of the National Association of Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries:
Catholic Ministry WITH Gay and Lesbian Persons
Bishop Carl Moeddel, and the Cincinnati CMGL Archdiocesan Advisory Team. In light of the Gospel message of inclusion and love, this diocesan model reaches out to Gay and Lesbian Catholics, and their families and friends offering support and advocacy. This session looks at the development and growth of this diocesan ministry.
Summary: Bishop Moeddel is an advocate for "gay rights" within the Church, works in conjunction with secular activist organizations who fight to teach "gay rights" in schools, and has the blessing of the Archbishop of Cincinnati, Archbishop Pilarczyk. You can contact Archbishop Pilarczyk and Auxilliary Bishop Moeddel as follows:
Most Reverend Daniel E. Pilarczyk
Archbishop of Cincinnati
100 East Eighth Street
Cincinnati, OH 45202
Phone: (513) 421-3131
E-mail: communications@catholiccincinnati.org

Most Reverend Carl K. Moeddel
Auxiliary Bishop of Cincinnati
100 East Eighth Street
Cincinnati, OH 45202
Phone: (513) 421-3131
E-mail: communications@catholiccincinnati.org


30 posted on 05/30/2002 2:28:56 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: weikel
No power on Earth can convince me the Church itself hasn't been gay friendly lately.

Well, it's been turned into a queer church, where a huge percentage of priests are active homosexuals (and are active sinners). I would say that that's gay friendly.

31 posted on 05/30/2002 2:32:45 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: BlessedBeGod
David Clohessy, director of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, said his organization believes that "if someone molests a child even once, they shouldn't be a priest."

I agree. People from all walks of life seem to manage to keep their hands off of children (in a sexual sense). Can't we hold priests to that standard? And if not, what does that say?

32 posted on 05/30/2002 2:34:50 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: arthurus
That's stupid. Some bishops have been so, some are afflicted themselves with the disorder. Unfortunately when homosexuals find themselves in positions of authority they staff the positions under their control with homosexuals and it spreads until it gets rooted out which operation has begun.

The Church is chock full of active homosexuals (many of whom cannot keep their paws off of teenage boys), and the rooting out has NOT been started (or even really contemplated).

33 posted on 05/30/2002 2:53:43 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: weikel
No power on Earth can convince me the Church itself hasn't been gay friendly lately.
I'll say. Check out the following links to Christian denominations with "gay" advocacy groups:
"Shower of Stoles" links

"Integrity" links

"Prism" links (N.B. Prism is now defunct : )

"AOL Hometown" links


34 posted on 05/30/2002 2:55:23 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider
To educate all parishioners on the total Church teaching with regard to homosexuality and the responsibility of Catholics toward gay men and lesbians

If the Church wants to promote actual Catholic teaching - that we should be caring and thoughtful with regard to homosexuals, that a homosexual inclination is intrinsically disordered, and that homosexual conduct is sinful and not to be countenanced, I'm fine with that. If it wants to excuse (which many parts of the Church do) that active homosexuality in the priesthood and elsewhere is just fine and dandy, then it's not fine with me. I don't trust these groups to teach authentic (and scripturally based) teaching on homosexuality. Their agenda is much greater in scope. (And has led to all of these problems...)

35 posted on 05/30/2002 3:01:59 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Antoninus
I think it would be great if local Dallas Catholics could get together SPECIFICALLY to protest groups like Call-to-Action and call upon the Bishops to remove dissenters from any position of authority.

That would be a necessity, since the bishops have not the courage or will to do so.

36 posted on 05/30/2002 3:03:54 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: eastsider
1. To educate all parishioners on the total Church teaching with regard to homosexuality

They want to educate all parishoners that:

Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6, SubSection 2, Heading 5
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, 141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." 142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6, SubSection 2, Heading 5
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6, SubSection 2, Heading 5
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6, SubSection 4, Heading 3
2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are masturbation, fornication, pornography, and homosexual practices.

I'd really like to believe this is what they want to teach. I'm having difficulty doing so.

AB


37 posted on 05/30/2002 3:17:08 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: ArrogantBustard
I'd really like to believe this is what they want to teach. I'm having difficulty doing so.
I had hoped that the article I posted (#30 above) from the November/December 1998 issue of the St. Catherine Review was outdated; unfortunately, both Bishop Moeddel and CCGLI are featured prominently in this September's 2002 National Conference of the National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries:
Annual Creating A Welcoming Parish
The Archdiocese of Cincinnati’s Concerned Catholics for Gay/Lesbian Inclusion (CCGLI) will describe how, through prayer and education, they seek to energize the accepting, educate the questioning, and challenge the condemning, to create a more loving, caring Church.
Sounds to me like Bishop Moeddel is the alpha male of this perverted pack.
38 posted on 05/30/2002 3:54:23 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: yendu bwam
The moment you see the terms "gay" and "lesbian," you know that God's eternal truth has been exchanged for a secular lie.
39 posted on 05/30/2002 3:57:28 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider
The moment you see the terms "gay" and "lesbian," you know that God's eternal truth has been exchanged for a secular lie.

Most people intuitively understand that someone who wishes to put his sexual organ (designed to be part of the creation of life with a woman) up another man's rectum (designed to empty waste) has a serious and deep mental disorder. People with such inclinations should be treated with compassion. But I don't believe that we should turn our Church over to huge (and unrepresentative) numbers of such people. It would be like turning over the Church to huge numbers of alcoholics. And further, since so many of the homoseuxal priests in the Church are active homosexuals (flaunting the teaching of the Church [i.e. God's teaching] on sexual morality), it would be like turning the Church over to a large number of active alcoholics (drunks). Obviously, in either case, poor examples are set, correct teaching gets shunted aside, and dangers arise. In the homosexual case, thousands of teenage boys have been spiritually, phychologically and physically damaged. But the Church still tries to hide from the truth of this. Its pandering to homosexuals has obviously been and continues to be a much higher priority than the welfare of children and than that of teaching actual Catholicism. We should be very angry.

40 posted on 05/30/2002 4:29:12 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: ArrogantBustard
I'd really like to believe this is what they want to teach.

Having a huge bevy of active homosexual priests in the Church (who are, among other things, responsible for teaching Catholic sexual morality) is an enormous hypocrisy. It's like having a bunch of priests who are pornographers, or a bunch of priests who never forgive, or a bunch of priests who never go to Church. It's crazy.

41 posted on 05/30/2002 4:32:04 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Antoninus; sandyeggo; frogandtoad; saradippity; maryz; Jeff Chandler; ken5050; Slyfox; rose...
Real Catholic Bump
43 posted on 05/30/2002 4:39:08 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Antoninus
Don't Forget Catholics for a Free Choice(sic).
44 posted on 05/30/2002 4:48:27 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: weikel
sounds like you don't really want to leave.
45 posted on 05/30/2002 4:53:45 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Siobhan
Everything going okay?
46 posted on 05/30/2002 4:54:31 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Cicero ; Siobhan
It's fascinating that many of these liberal dissident "Catholic" organizations and celebrity heretic personalities are well-known in the media while there generally has been very little public exposure for orthodox and conservative Catholics. Many liberals know who Charles Curran, Richard McBrien, Bernardin, Matthew Fox, Sr. Maureen Fiedler, Frances Kissling, Andrew Greeley, and Robert Drinan are. Beyond EWTN, orthodox Catholics other than the Pope get very little secular media coverage - as if they don't exist. There is a tendency to make it seem like the majority of Catholics favor the most extreme liberal and dissident positions. As with secular American politics, the exaggerated emphasis on extreme and fringe liberals creates a distorted impression of their significance and relevance. Fortunately, the graying of Catholic liberals will eventually catch up with them or they will be taken out in other ways as in the case of the pompous and overbearing Rembert Weakland.
47 posted on 05/30/2002 4:57:42 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Catholicguy
OH! My! You just missed your fifteen minutes of fame! Who knows there just may be a shift in policy making. (just joshing)
48 posted on 05/30/2002 5:13:04 PM PDT by ejo
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To: weikel
Like the old saying goes: It takes one to know one
49 posted on 05/30/2002 5:17:17 PM PDT by ejo
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To: Antoninus
bump
50 posted on 05/30/2002 5:24:30 PM PDT by Diago
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