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How Dissident "Catholic" Groups are Trying to Make Gains from the Scandal
Living His Life Abundantly web site ^ | 5/30/02 | Antoninus

Posted on 05/30/2002 11:03:34 AM PDT by Antoninus

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To: goldenstategirl
I have had my hands full with every known family relation in town since the holiday weekend. A glorious and happy time, but also tiring. Thanks for asking. Da continues to mend and is in better and better shape.
51 posted on 05/30/2002 5:58:53 PM PDT by Siobhan
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52 posted on 05/30/2002 5:59:11 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: yendu bwam
Actually,the worst of it is past. Most of the offending priests have are retired or put under wraps. These lawsuits almost all refer to things done 20-30 years ago. The scandal now is becaue the few rotten bishops ran out of funds for hush money. And Rome does not keep Stalinist-complete control on the Dioceses; Rome does not micromanage them, nor does it have a gang of undercover informants in the manner of the government of a State. Even the seminaries are being cleaned out and look, the "Catholic" colleges are up against it now, to be either Catholic or drop the name and ties. However, those of a certain mind about Catholics or perhaps about Christians see this all primarily as a chance to bring the Church low, or to bring Religion low, or whatever. For such people the "the Church is all fags" is just another in their aerenal of slogans and does not relate to reality and certainly not to knowledge.
53 posted on 05/30/2002 6:09:32 PM PDT by arthurus
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To: arthurus
Actually,the worst of it is past. Most of the offending priests have are retired or put under wraps. These lawsuits almost all refer to things done 20-30 years ago. The scandal now is becaue the few rotten bishops ran out of funds for hush money. And Rome does not keep Stalinist-complete control on the Dioceses; Rome does not micromanage them, nor does it have a gang of undercover informants in the manner of the government of a State. Even the seminaries are being cleaned out and look, the "Catholic" colleges are up against it now, to be either Catholic or drop the name and ties. However, those of a certain mind about Catholics or perhaps about Christians see this all primarily as a chance to bring the Church low, or to bring Religion low, or whatever. For such people the "the Church is all fags" is just another in their aerenal of slogans and does not relate to reality and certainly not to knowledge.

I don't believe it. We keep reading about seminaries where HALF of the seminarians are homosexual, where a great many of those (the majority) engage in active homosexuality, and where many of them flaunt their homosexuality. Along with that goes a complete repudiation of the Church's teaching on sexuality. - I do agree that Rome doesn't keep Stalinist control over the semiaries or the Bishops. The problem is they don't keep ANY control. The have allowed the Church here to become an active queer Church. And I don't see any indication that they have the guts or resolve to fix that.

54 posted on 05/30/2002 6:15:31 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: Antoninus
I posted this information a while back but now would be a good time to repost it. From OUR LADY'S WARRIORS It is also extremely important that we link up with those groups that represent our ideals, such as the Catholic League. Good Luck! We're all in this with you.

Dissenting Organizations

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Matthew 12:30
He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.

2 John 1:9-11
Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God; he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son. If any one comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into the house or give him any greeting; for he who greets him shares his wicked work.

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury, Idolatry, witchcrafts [wicca], enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects, Envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God.

Matthew 18:15-17
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector

Solemn Warning! The following organizations are those who claim to be Catholic but dissent from the Truth as handed down from Jesus Christ, Second Person of the Most Blessed Trinity, the Divine Word, to His Apostles and their successors, the Pope and the Magisterium. These organizations are truly following in the footsteps of JUDAS - Just Undermine Doctrine And Spirituality. While they claim to be Catholic, they promote a man-made religion of unfettered pro-sin "choice" by the individual answerable to no one but himself (herself for the feminist reader), while promoting the spirituality of pagans. We all know what the serpent said to Eve; "you shall be as Gods" (Genesis 3:5).

At the same time, their mission statements and goals are disguised in shrewd words, usually in terms of "rights," "equality" and "social justice." But the Bible warns us of such a state of affairs; "I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves [clergy] will arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert" (Acts 20:29-31). "And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is not strange if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds" (2 Corinthians 11:12-15). "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit" (Matthew 7:15-18).

Due to the potential damage to the Faith, links to these sites are not provided. However, the names of these dissident organizations are offered for your education and awareness - to be alert as the Bible tells us. This list will be updated as more is learned about the various organizations. Following this list is material which contains more in-depth analysis of some of these dissident organizations. See also the Dissenting Author and Speakers page for the names of individuals commonly associated with the dissident organizations. Read also on how does an organization get placed on this list.

 

Organization Comments
A Call to Action The most visible dissenting group which is a movement of laity and religious seeking to reform the "sinful structure" of the "patriarchal" Church. CTA is infamous since its 1994 conference coverage on the CBS news program 60 Minutes. CTA promotes dissent against Church teachings on a broad front, including women's ordination, homosexuality, creation spirituality, married priesthood, and liturgical reforms, while incorporating new age and Wiccan spirituality. Bishop Bruskewitz excommunicated those that belong to this group in his Diocese. Many members belong to local  groups called "small faith communities." Renew 2000 also promotes small faith communities. Membership draws heavily from former clergy, feminist nuns, and homosexuals. Members staff COR. CTA serves on the national task force for the We Are Church referendum. Get a more complete understanding of their position from their own information.
Association for the Rights of Catholics in the Church Promotes a so-called "democratic" church whereby the people vote for their own doctrine, and support of pluralism ("believe what you want") via a "Constitution" and a "Catholic Bill of Rights." (Vatican II already gave us a Constitution.) Sample "rights" include self-determined divorce and remarriage, contraception, and homosexual relationships. Also calls for elected pastors, bishops, and pope. Part of the task force of the We Are Church referendum. Most members also are members of CTA. Membership draws heavily from ex-clergy, and disaffected nuns. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal. Protestant churches are "democratic."
Association of Pittsburgh Priests Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Catholics for a Free Choice (CFFC) Promotes artificial contraceptive "rights," including abortion. Their focus is the "intersection of Catholic teaching and public policy." Bishop Bruskewitz excommunicated those that belong to this group in his Diocese. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal. They have been condemned by the National Conference of Catholic Bishops (NCCB).
Catholics Speak Out Advocate of homosexuality and artificial birth control. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal and a sub-group of the Quixote Center.
Catholic Theological Society of America (CTSA) Promotes dissent against Magisterial teachings and questions the authority of said teachings. A "theological wasteland" according to Bernard Cardinal Law (June 18, 1997).
Celibacy Is the Issue Promotes active sacramental ministry for former priests who are now married. Administers a "Rent-A-Priest" program providing former priests for parishes without a priest, or to perform marriages not sanctioned by the Church (i.e. homosexual "marriages") and to conduct illicit Masses. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) Not an organization per se, but a conference center for seminars and workshops working with the Enneagram -- an occult system of personality assessment. CAC features dissident speakers at its seminars and training workshops. Active in fostering dissident networking: "We envision CAC as a faith alternative to the dominant consciousness."
Coalition of Concerned Canadian Catholics Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Conference for Catholic Lesbians Advocate of female homosexuality.
Core Of Retired Priests United for Service (CORPUS) Former priests who advocate married priests. Most are married, and they perform illicit priestly ministries. Their founder Padovano is a prominent figure in Call To Action. CORPUS was instituted to provide support and fraternal affiliation for former priests. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Dignity USA Advocate of homosexual "rights," including "marriage" within the Church. They form local chapters to provide "spiritual" support for practicing homosexuals who want to pursue full sacramental participation and ministerial duties. Vehemently opposed to COURAGE, the homosexual support organization promoting abstinence. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Federation of Christian Ministries Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Fellowship of Southern Illinois Laity A group which proposes Church reform in Call to Action style. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
FutureChurch A regional parish-based coalition seeking to address the priest shortage. FutureChurch claims the remedy is the ordination of married men and women. FutureChurch engages in educational presentations to parishes, grass-roots organizations, and the media. Its current project is a nationally-promoted dialogue on an "inclusive priesthood." Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Jesus Seminar A seminar in which we are supposedly to learn what Jesus "really meant" in the Gospels. Much material follows the modernist liberal dissenting views which go against Church teachings.
National Coalition Of American Nuns Bills itself as a "grassroots" organization for nuns concerned with "sinful structures" of society and church. Members work as advocates for social justice causes and promoting equality of women. Promotes gender-adjusted language, women's ordination, etc. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
National Association of Catholic Diocesan Lesbian and Gay Ministries (NACDLGM) An organization trying to keep a lower profile, they err by failing to (i.e. oppress) provide the truth of the Church teachings. Rather, they promote documents which are not formal Church teaching, such as that titled 'Always Our Children.' They state "As baptized persons, lesbian and gay Catholics share the rights of all the baptized: 'to receive the sacraments, to be nourished with the Word of God and to be sustained by the other spiritual helps of the Church' (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1269)." However, they do not indicate that chastity is required, nor that active homosexuality is not acceptable whatsoever, nor that gays and lesbians living in sin are not eligible for the Sacraments except Confession/Reconciliation and repentance.
New Ways Ministries Militant advocate of homosexuality which also demands ordination and ministry for homosexuals. Primary effort is educational workshops and seminars to identify and eliminate "homophobia" in the Church. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Pax Christi
(cited in Renew 2000)
This group may be the most widely recognized leftist organization to American Catholics. Long a proponent of nonviolence, Pax Christi promotes "action to transform structures of society." Aligned with liberation theology, "ecological justice," and the usual litany of modernist demands. A member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Priests for Equality Promotes women priests ("priestesses") and married priests. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal and a sub-group of the Quixote Center. Also pursuing inclusive language Scripture translation.
Promises A small group devoted to support women intimately involved with a Catholic priest. A member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Quixote Center Pursues the full range of "peace and justice" issues. The Quixote Center, promotes liberation theology in this hemisphere. The Quixote Center, opposed to U.S. foreign policy, frequently poses as the "Catholic" voice to the media on U.S. involvement in Latin America. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal. Quixote Center is the parent group for Priests for Equality and Catholics Speak Out.
Sex Information and Education Council for the United States (SIECUS)

("education" organization dealing with religion)

From their own manifesto: "..integrates wisdom about sexuality ...; full inclusion of women and sexual minorities in the congregational life, including their ordination and blessing of same sex unions; sexuality counseling ... commitment to sexual and reproductive rights, including access to voluntary contraception, abortion ..." They have promoted a "Religious Declaration in Sexual Morality, Justice and Healing" which has been approved by several Catholic dissenters.
Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) Schismatic group formerly headed by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre who illicitly consecrated bishops against the expressed instructions of the Roman Pontiff. They refuse to submit in obedience to the Holy Father. Note: the leadership of this group seems to be working with the Vatican to end its schism. Let us all hope and pray that this comes to pass.
True Catholic Sedevacantist group which has "elected a Pope Pius XIII" and promotes documents such as "101 Heresies of John Paul II." They refuse to submit in obedience to the Holy Father.
We are Church Hatched from Call to Action, they are a petition group pushing for radical changes in church teaching through political pressure ("referendums," lobbying and the like).
Women-Church Promotes women priests ("priestesses").
Women's Ordination Conference (WOC) WOC promotes women priests ("priestesses"). WOC is characterized by strong language denouncing "the patriarchal church" and the papacy of John Paul II. WOC leaders have suggested "new" sacraments that mark stages in a woman's life. Example: "Sacrament of Croning" at age fifty to herald the coming of "Wisdom." A recent WOC conference claimed ordination meant subordination; consequently, ordination needs to be Reconstructed. It is not unusual for WOC meetings to begin with an invocation to a pagan goddess, and may feature a pagan ritual meal. Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Women's Ordination Worldwide (WOW) Promotes women priests ("priestesses").
Women in Church Leadership (WICL) Promotes women priests ("priestesses").
Women's Alliance for Theology Ethics and Ritual (WATER) Emphasis is on "inclusiveness," in liturgy and re-interpretation of the Scriptures to the radical feminist view.
Catholic Organizations for Renewal (COR) Not an organization per se, but a forum where many dissenting organizations plot their attack on the teachings of Jesus' Church. Their proclaimed mission is:
  • a coalition of Catholic groups, inspired by Vatican II, [an indicator of the modernist "spirit of Vatican II" - see one member below with that name]
  • to further the reform and renewal of the Catholic Church, and [Martin Luther also "reformed" the church and established a church of man based on his personal beliefs - all heretics have done so in the past. Why is COR any different?]
  • to bring about a world of justice and peace, reflecting the sacredness of all creation." [sacred creation is a pagan belief; true peace and justice result from following God's teachings, not opposing them]

The following groups are part of this JUDAS forum.

Association of Pittsburgh Priests
Association For the Rights of Catholics in the Church
Call To Action
CTA (Call To Action) Baltimore
CTA (Call To Action) New Jersey
Call To Action of Northern Virginia
Catholics For Free Choice
Catholics for the Spirit of Vatican II
Catholics of Vision/Canada
Catholics Speak Out / Quixote Center
Celibacy Is the Issue
Coalition of Concerned Canadian Catholics
CORPUS
CORPUS Baltimore
Dignity/USA
Federation of Christian Ministries
Fellowship of Southern Illinois Laity (FOSIL)
Friends of Creation Spirituality
FutureChurch
Good Tidings
National Coalition of American Nuns
New Ways Ministry
North Dakota Peace Coalition
Pathfinder Renewal Weekend
Pax Christi
Promises
Renewal Coordinating Community
Romero Institute
Save Our Sacrament (SOS)/Annulment Reform
Women's Ordination Conference

Documents Revealing the Truth about Call to Action

Description

Author

Comments

Call to Action 1998 Conference Detailed Agenda Bruce Sabalaskey Learn for yourself the truth regarding a Call to Action's orientation from their own information.
Commentary on Radical Feminism's Attack on the Catholic Church Kathleen Howley Radical feminism is a strong theme within Call to Action.


55 posted on 05/30/2002 6:20:37 PM PDT by NYer
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To: eastsider
The Fairmont Hotel? There wasn't a Holiday Inn available?

Or did they consider, now that school is out, staying in a couple of dorms at the University of Dallas and meet in Lynch Hall?

I've never stayed at a Fairmont; my company makes me stay at Hampton Inns.

At a time like this, with kleig lights focused on them, the Catholic Bishops of the United States are going to be staying at the most exclusive hotel in Dallas?

56 posted on 05/30/2002 6:29:56 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: BlackElk
Kumbaya

That song makes my skin crawl. What the hell does it mean anywho?

57 posted on 05/30/2002 6:38:53 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: BlackElk
You know, we could make good money by emulating baseball cards and issuing AmChurch heretic cards. Unflattering photo on the front. Grisly career details on the back. We could detail stats on convictions and lawsuit payouts. We could balance this by issuing Catholic cards too but the set would be a little small, all things considered, if we are going to rely on hierarchy at this time.

I love it! Heretic cards! Collect them all!
58 posted on 05/30/2002 7:10:53 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: NYer
This is great stuff. Here's some other information I collected about the Call to Action creeps and their offshoots. I think it's time to turn up the heat on these people.

Article on Call to Action on the Defend Life website.

Here are some excerpts:

Mary Joe Anderson attended the 1995 CTA convention in Chicago [Bernadin again?] ... and her summary of that event (Crisis Magazine, Feb., 1996) is a scathing indictment. The opening address by CORPUS' Anthony Padovano set the tone by proclaiming, "If the institutional church won't meet our needs we'll do it ourselves. We're not asking permission anymore." According to Anderson, Padovano told CTA members they were "called to heal the body of Christ wounded by structures of domination." Padovano considers that "pathologic popes" such as Gregory VII, Innocent III and Boniface VIII imposed such structures on the Church. A 'former' priest himself, he suggested initiating impeachment proceedings against John Paul II; his exhortation to "rock the barque of Peter" brought thunderous applause.

Anderson ... noted a preponderance of pagan/goddess ware. The Alabaster Jar, a book relating the marriage of Jesus to Mary Magdalene, made an appearance on the tables. Most chilling is Anderson's analysis of CTA's future. They are confident of victory, she says, because "they know that the vast majority of Catholics are uncatechized and vulnerable to manipulation by appeals to the imputed 'spirit' of Vatican II. The CTA regulars are manic, bright, and entrenched in diocese around the country. They demand a reconfigured, demasulinized God so they can be free to release their inner divinity. They will serve no God but the God made in their image.


Is anyone else as angry as I am? It's time to CLEAN HOUSE! We've put up with these aging phonies long enough!
59 posted on 05/30/2002 7:51:16 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: NYer;All
What's the difference between a schismatic and a sedevacantist?

I thought Renew 2000 was an official activity in conjunction with the Jubilee 2000. A gentleman I know in the diocesan office asked me to go through the facilitator training but I didn't. I never did figure out what that was all about.

60 posted on 05/30/2002 8:42:14 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Siobhan
Excellent news.
61 posted on 05/30/2002 8:42:46 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: saradippity
Or,it may be that our Father in heaven is kicking them all out.Every week we say a pray at Mass for vocations,God has said yes but first.
62 posted on 05/30/2002 8:51:37 PM PDT by fatima
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To: weikel
How would you know if you don't go to church,come back.
63 posted on 05/30/2002 8:53:28 PM PDT by fatima
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To: NYer
Thanks for the info.
64 posted on 05/30/2002 9:03:32 PM PDT by ELS
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To: Cicero
The press and police have been sitting on a lot of really bad things,time has run out for the losers and the press had much they kept until it was time,from what I read they really did not report.I knew stories that the average person does not hear.As far as the press goes and what they report,we are the press.We can start a paper,radio,TV,in our own local area.In the pro-life movement if you can put on a bandage you are the doctor,each one of you can go on locally and if you want info I can help.I would like us to have an online radio program,thats right us.
65 posted on 05/30/2002 9:16:55 PM PDT by fatima
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To: NYer
You did your homework,I have a few Blessed Mother stickers for you,not kidding.Freepmail me
66 posted on 05/30/2002 9:22:14 PM PDT by fatima
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To: goldenstategirl
I never really went though.
67 posted on 05/30/2002 9:41:34 PM PDT by weikel
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To: weikel
My dear, you either are or you aren't. Choose one!
68 posted on 05/30/2002 10:37:29 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Slyfox
Probably Kumbaya means progress, termite-style. We have a family game of making up new lyrics: Lost my mind, Lord, Kumbaya. Lost my soul, Lord, Kumbaya. Lost my faith, Lord, Kumbaya, but I sing meaningless drivel, Kumbaya! etc.
69 posted on 05/30/2002 11:22:17 PM PDT by BlackElk
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To: nickcarraway
Don't Forget Catholics for a Free Choice(sic).

You mean that woman with an internet connection and a fax machine?

70 posted on 05/31/2002 5:06:08 AM PDT by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: sinkspur
At a time like this, with kleig lights focused on them, the Catholic Bishops of the United States are going to be staying at the most exclusive hotel in Dallas?

When they came to Florida during the winter a few years back, they stayed on Palm Beach at "The Breakers" where, among other things, they discussed "The Poor." The cost was $400 per room.

71 posted on 05/31/2002 5:27:34 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: goldenstategirl
What's the difference between a schismatic and a sedevacantist?

A sedevacantist is a specific type of schismatic. Normally sedevacantists are strongly traditionalist groups that believe that the papal office truly exists and that popes possess the charism of infallibility, but that the "seat is empty" at the moment. It is distinguish schismatic groups like that from groups such as SSPX, which believe that John Paul II IS the pope but simply believe they have a right to disobey in non-dogmatic matters.

72 posted on 05/31/2002 6:04:41 AM PDT by MWS
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To: Slyfox, BlackElk
Kumbaya

I am given to understand that the word is derived from some Caribbean pidgin language, and is a corruption of the phrase "Come by here". Thus the song is (or at least may have originally been) a prayer for Divine blessing and guidance, expressed in very simple terms. It falls into the same general category as "negro spirituals". Unfortunately, it has become the international anthem of liberation theology.

AB

73 posted on 05/31/2002 6:56:07 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: GenXFreedomFighter
Yes, but unfortunately she is able to do a lot with her resources.
74 posted on 05/31/2002 9:52:18 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Yes, but unfortunately she is able to do a lot with her resources.

It's easy to appear like you're doing a lot when the news media is beating a path to your door. They can't get enough of Frances Quisling.
75 posted on 05/31/2002 10:23:52 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: MWS
A sedevacantist is a specific type of schismatic. Normally sedevacantists are strongly traditionalist groups that believe that the papal office truly exists and that popes possess the charism of infallibility, but that the "seat is empty" at the moment. It is distinguish schismatic groups like that from groups such as SSPX, which believe that John Paul II IS the pope but simply believe they have a right to disobey in non-dogmatic matters.

It has been said by some that the large number of Europoean sedevacantists within the bosom of the schismatic SSPX is what really prevents Bishop Fellay from seriously negotiating a reunion with Rome. Too many of his schismatic members would queer the deal.

When Lefebvre undertook his schism, one of the men he ordained a Bishop was Richard Williamson who was known as a sedevacantist while at student at Lefebvre's Econe.

76 posted on 05/31/2002 10:36:00 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Antoninus
And here is some information on...

Catholics for a Free Choice

Website: http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/indexengflash.htm

Email address: cffc@catholicsforchoice.org

Physical Address:

Catholics for a Free Choice
1436 U Street NW, Suite 301
Washington, DC 20009-3997 USA
Office: +1 (202) 986-6093
Fax: +1 (202) 332-7995

Key Personnel: Frances Kissling

These people have a very slick, professionally designed web site - the hallmark of a group with money to burn. I wonder where exactly they get their funding? Their web site is built to funnel the media to their op-ed pieces and soundbites. It's worth taking a look at the site if only to get an idea how real Catholic sites could better target the news media and disseminate true Catholic teaching.

Here are some quotes from an interview with Ms. Kissling, the head heretic at CfFC. It may be found on their web site here

Q: Let's start at the very beginning. How did Catholics for a Free Choice begin? What was the impetus for this kind of organization?

Kissling: Three New York women -- Joan Harriman, Patricia Fogarty McQuillan, and Meta Mulcahy, who had been colleagues in the National Organization for Women -- chartered CFFC in 1973, the year of the US Supreme Court's Roe decision.

At the time, little if any active dissent movement existed in the church. The impression was widespread that Catholics followed the bishops unquestioningly. Catholics were still generally perceived as working class, from large families, and as not practicing contraception. This impression was strengthened when the bishops suddenly emerged as the principal opposition to legal abortion in the wake of Roe.

These three women--CFFC's founders--recognized the importance of organized opposition to the hierarchy's campaign. They were motivated by the simple conviction that the bishops did not represent the Catholic people on reproductive rights issues, including abortion. They knew that Catholic women had abortions and that Catholic women and men supported legal access to abortion. Their task was to get that message out to the public.

78 posted on 05/31/2002 10:42:22 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Just to get your blood boiling a bit, here's a news story from July 2000:

Pro-Abortion "Catholic" Dares Bishops To Excommunicate Her

NEW YORK (CWNews.com/LSN.ca) - Frances Kissling, head of the pro-abortion group Catholics for a Free Choice, has written a column daring bishops or the Pope to excommunicate her.

In her article she says that "since no bishop or pope--and I am reasonably sure that these authorities know who I am and what I believe--has chosen either to pronounce me excommunicated or declare that I have automatically excommunicated myself, I am confident that I remain in good standing with the Church."

Pretending to answer those who argue that she has excommunicated herself, Kissling claims erroneously that only those who procure abortions directly are excommunicated automatically. She eggs on the debate by claiming that her advocacy of abortion does not qualify her for excommunication, but nor does "directing an abortion clinic, as I did some 20 years ago." She mentions also that she slips into "churches around the world, receiving Communion, and saying, Yes, I am Catholic."

Despite her claim that bishops and the Pope probably know who she is, it is not likely that they share her view of her own importance. Furthermore, many Catholics do not consider her or her anti-Catholic group to be Catholic in the first place.
79 posted on 05/31/2002 10:53:51 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
In her article she says that "since no bishop or pope--and I am reasonably sure that these authorities know who I am and what I believe--has chosen either to pronounce me excommunicated or declare that I have automatically excommunicated myself, I am confident that I remain in good standing with the Church."

I wonder if Judas had similar thoughts as he ran off to hang himself...

80 posted on 05/31/2002 12:57:50 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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