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Jose Padilla as John Doe #2 theory gains as ties to Benevolence International are uncovered
CNN via whoisjohndoe2.com ^ | June 15, 2002 | John Berger

Posted on 06/15/2002 11:59:45 AM PDT by spycatcher

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BREAKING NEWS: Padilla Associate Nabbed By Feds In Florida, Had Ties To Benevolence International Foundation

If you've plodded through the Padiila-BIF-Terry Nichols stories (listed below) patiently, wading through the tedious speculation, wishing a real connection would emerge, well, your wait has ended! The feds have nabbed the missing link between the Benevolence International Foundation and Jose Padilla!

Who is John Doe #2 news and information clearinghouse

CNN - Feds arrest man linked to 'dirty bomb' suspect


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To: bat-boy
Pssst...evidently you missed POST #112...

Your agenda is showing.

The Davidian standoff was February 28 to April 19, 1993. Link.

George W. Bush was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In an historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998, winning 68.6 percent of the vote. Link

Go back to DU, your lies won't draw flies there..


DUH.

141 posted on 06/15/2002 10:34:20 PM PDT by MamaLucci
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To: TexKat
Perhaps it all started here.

To: Luis Gonzalez

THanks, now go get a picture of that JOHN DOE of the Okla. City, Bombing fame. (p) I am only going by memory, but on second look at this new perp, I thought I saw a reseamblence. maybe not.

788 posted on 6/10/02 5:56 PM Pacific by annieokie

142 posted on 06/15/2002 10:36:07 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: spycatcher
Too bad the FBI didn't do their job in 95 when the trail was hot.

Seems like the FBI did it's job very well in '95--assuming that it's job was to wrap up the case as quickly as possible, give no embarassment to Willie Clinton, and create a scenario for hoodwinking the public. I can't think of how they could have done that job any better.

143 posted on 06/15/2002 10:40:14 PM PDT by SEA
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To: OKCSubmariner
Jose Padilla is the focus of great speculation by Americans today. How can the U.S intelligence agencies have known that Padilla was plotting to detonate one of the most sinister types of weapons of mass destruction? Is it because these agencies had received reports, as John Ashcroft claims, that Padilla and his accomplices had been meeting and gathering information on how to build these deadly devices? Or because these agencies have known of him all along, and had chosen to simply wait for his return to the United States?
Jose Padilla (LEFT) is shown here next to a sketch of John Doe No. 2 (RIGHT). John Doe No. 2 was initially suspected in the OKC bombings in 1995.

This article explores a premise that seems so unlikely, a premise that can't possibly have any basis in truth. However, further investigation reveals that this scenario, in fact, makes absolute sense, and puts all the pieces together. From the streets of Chicago to the sandy deserts of Pakistan and back to the U.S. to bring destruction to Oklahoma City, Jose "Abdullah al Muhajir" Padilla, is John Doe No. 2.

Universally Accepted History of Oklahoma City

Anybody within 20 miles of downtown Oklahoma City on the morning of April 19, 1995 remembers the frightening sound and the awful "thump." In those first few seconds after 9:02 on that morning, the only question heard was, "What was THAT?"

A massive bomb inside a rental truck had exploded, blowing half of the nine-story Murrah Federal Building into oblivion.

A stunned nation watched as horrifying images and screams and shouts of pain and confusion were broadcast on television.

Just 90 minutes after the explosion, an Oklahoma Highway Patrol officer pulled over 27-year-old Timothy McVeigh for driving without a license plate.

Shortly before he was to be released on April 21, McVeigh was recognized as a bombing suspect and was charged with the bombing.

When McVeigh's ex-Army associate, Terry Nichols, was wanted for questioning, Nichols voluntarily surrendered to police in Herington, Kansas, and was later charged in the bombing.

In June 1997, a jury convicted Timothy McVeigh of bombing the Oklahoma City Federal building, a terrorist attack that left 168 people dead.

On December 23 1997, a jury found Terry Nichols guilty of involuntary manslaughter and of conspiring with McVeigh. Nearly six months later, Nichols was sentenced by a federal judge to spend the rest of his life in prison.

On Monday, June 11, 2001 Timothy McVeigh was put to death by lethal injection at 7:14 a.m. in Terre Haute, Indiana.

Terry Nichols is currently serving out his sentence in Federal prison while maintaining his innocence.

This is the universally-accepted version of history. However, overwhelming evidence suggests that there is much more to the events in Oklahoma City than the story of a couple of anti-government ex-Army radicals acting alone.

Getting the Facts in Order

The factual fallout from the OKC bombing was riddled with confusion. Various reports were later debunked, many reports were simply ignored.

The following is in-depth look at some of the happenings that occurred during the morning of April 19, 1995.

While evidence certainly substantiates the involvement of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, there is also enough evidence to show that they did not act alone.

John Doe No. 2

The calendar moves to the December 2, 1997 trial of Terry Nichols.

A mysterious suspect -- never identified and never found -- dominates the Oklahoma City bombing case today as defense lawyers attempt to shift attention away from defendant Terry L. Nichols.

The defense launched its case with a stream of witnesses who claimed that convicted bomber Timothy J. McVeigh was seen with a man who did not fit the description of Nichols around the time of the April 19, 1995 blast. Looming on courtroom evidence monitors was the now-famous FBI sketch of John Doe No. 2, the bombing suspect never located by the authorities, the bombing suspect who is, according to the FBI, no longer being sought.

The government now takes the position that John Doe No. 2 was actually an innocent Army private who happened to be at Elliott's Body Shop the day after McVeigh rented the truck.

This was the case put forth by the lawyers for Terry Nichols. The government maintains that there was no John Doe No. 2, that the very idea of a second co-conspirator was all just a big misunderstanding.

Evidence proves otherwise.

A former Elliott's employee, Vicki Beemer, testified that two days before the bombing, McVeigh had been accompanied by a second man. A nurse from Herington, Kan., told jurors that she saw a Hispanic-looking man riding with McVeigh in the passenger seat of a Ryder truck several days before the blast. Numerous others testified that they saw a man resembling the sketch of John Doe No. 2 in or near a Ryder truck in the days preceding the bombing.

The resemblance between John Doe No. 2 and Jose Padilla is uncanny. Some might say that his hair in the photo doesn't match the hair in the sketch. However this can be easily explained away by noting that John Doe No. 2 was actually wearing a hat, and that the sketch is just a best guess effort.

FBI sketch of John Doe No. 2 (LEFT). This variation of the sketch depicts the suspect wearing a hat. This current photo of Jose Padilla (RIGHT) has been enhanced to show what he might look like if he was wearing a hat.

Many witnesses describe John Doe No.2 as: Hispanic, 5'10", 170 pounds., 25 to 26 years old, dark hair, robust, prominent lips, bushy eyebrows, with a strong, angry look upon his face. Descriptions of Jose Padilla at the time would have been similar to those of John Doe No. 2.

But the connection between Padilla and John Doe No. 2 does not end with similar physical characteristics.

Background of Jose Padilla

Jose Padilla has an extensive criminal record -- including an involvement in a gang-related murder when he was 15 years old.

Padilla was born in Brooklyn, N.Y.and moved to northwest Chicago at age 5. As a teenager, he was a member of a street gang.

He spent time in juvenile detention in 1985 for an armed robbery that left one victim dead of stab wounds.

Later, armed with a baseball bat, Padilla and a knife-wielding accomplice robbed three men. One man fled, but the two thieves chased him, and Padilla' s accomplice stabbed him in the stomach.

As a juvenile, Padilla was convicted aggravated battery, armed robbery and attempted armed robbery and was in custody in Illinois from November 1985 to May 1988.

After serving time on murder and assault charges, Padilla moved to Florida, but quickly found himself in trouble again when he was convicted of both aggravated assault with intent to commit a felony and discharging a firearm from a vehicle.

Despite his already lengthy criminal record, he was sentenced to just a year on probation.

In 1992, one year after he was released from probation, Padilla was convicted in Florida of aggravated assault with a firearm.

While serving time in the Broward County Jail, Padilla was accused of battery on a jail officer and resisting without violence in January 1992. He settled the charges with guilty pleas after spending 10 months behind bars.

It was either during or after serving those 10 months in the Broward County Jail that the man raised as a Roman Catholic converted to radical Islam with his future wife, Cherie Maria Stultz.

Following Padilla's release, he and Stultz worked at a Taco Bell restaurant in Davie, near Fort Lauderdale, close to about 20 Islamic centers or mosques.

Padilla disappeared after two years, and the couple later divorced.

By 1998, Padilla had moved to Egypt. His goal, according to officials, was to further explore Muslim teachings and traditions. He stayed about two years, aligning himself with illegal underground extremist mosques.

Putting the Pieces Together

Even though McVeigh went to his death denying any larger plot, many questions remain unanswered. Did John Doe No. 2 ever exist? If he did, who is he? If there is no John Doe No. 2, why did a second suspect initially emerge? What items or witnesses did the bureau use to create its three sketches of this alleged co-conspirator?

The evidence that the Oklahoma City bombing involved a larger conspiracy, one with Middle Eastern connections, is compelling. And the trail begins with that mysterious FBI APB.

In the week following the bombing a Oklahoma City, a reporter at television station received a tip about some suspicious activity and began an investigation of a local property management company. The reporter had been told by several former employees of the management company that they had seen a pickup truck at the office, a truck that matched the description in the APB.

The reporter discovered that the owner of the property, a Palestinian expatriate, had pled guilty in 1991 to several counts of insurance fraud and served eight months in a federal prison. Court papers indicated that the FBI had investigated him for alleged connections to the Palestine Liberation Organization.

Former employees told the investigator that six months prior to the bombing, the owner of this management company had hired a group of foreign refugees to do painting and construction work. This group had allegedly fled from Iraq to escape Saddam Hussein's regime. An employee told the reporter that he saw these "refugees" cheering the Oklahoma terror attack and vowing to die in Saddam's service.

The reporter used surveillance equipment to photograph these foreign refugees, and focused on one man who seemed to match the last FBI profile sketch and description of John Doe No. 2.

Over the next several months the reporter interviewed witnesses who said they saw McVeigh in the company of a foreign-looking man in the days and hours before the bombing.

Witnesses also said they saw several of the refugees moving large barrels around in the back of an old white truck. The barrels, they alleged, emanated a strong smell of diesel fuel, one of the key ingredients used in the Oklahoma City bomb.

Who was this man, the one who resembled John Doe No. 2?

His name was Al-Hussaini Hussain who later filed a defamation lawsuit in Oklahoma County District Court against the television station and the reporter, charging that the news station had falsely accused him of being John Doe No. 2. The lawsuit was later dropped since the station had never directly targeted him as John Doe No. 2.

However Al-Hussaini Hussain is just one of many who were mentioned as a possible John Doe No. 2. Some would suggest that Hussain was given up as a target to deflect attention from the real John Doe No. 2.

Middle Eastern Ties

After the bombing came the finger-pointing and assignation of blame. However, since the Clinton-Reno Justice Department laid down the official line that the Oklahoma bombing was a purely domestic terrorist act, an eerie silence had descended over the case..

Oliver Revell, former FBI Assistant Director in Charge of Investigation and Counterterrorism, was quoted in news accounts as saying, "I think it's most likely a Middle East terrorist. I think the modus operandi is similar. They have used this approach." According to court documents filed in the McVeigh trial, an FBI communiqué on the day of the bombing suggested the attack may have been in retaliation for the prosecution of the World Trade Center bombers. The communiqué was clear: "We are currently inclined to suspect the Islamic Jihad as the likely group."

Terrorist expert Neil C. Livingstone was quoted in The Globe on May 16, 1995 with this observation: "There is a remarkable similarity between the methods used by Islamic terrorists in the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, the attack on the World Trade Center, and the bombing in Oklahoma. The truckload of explosives is almost a signature or calling card, and it is the weapon of choice among these groups." Livingstone, the author of several books on terrorism, continued: "Very typically, these terrorists have found homegrown radicals to use as dupes in the actual bombings. They have supplied the money and the technical expertise and highly skilled operatives to guide a project and then get out of town before they can be apprehended."

One investigator from 1995 said he was more than "inclined to suspect" Islamic Jihad. His investigation, he told this reporter, directly ties suspects from the Oklahoma City bombing to an Islamic Jihad cell in Florida. The Florida cell, he believes, is tied into the network of Osama bin Laden.

Padilla's whereabouts are unknown from 1994 to 1998. In all likelihood, he was still living somewhere in Florida and could have been involved with some of the Middle Eastern terrorist organizations that have possible ties to the Oklahoma City bombings.

Additionally, according to a report from the Associated Press filed on Tuesday, June 11, 2002, Padilla was a protégé of a top lieutenant of Osama bin Laden, traveling at his mentor's request to meet with other terrorists and using the Internet to research how to build a radioactive weapon.

Conclusion

So what exactly what happened in OKC on the morning of April 19, 1995? Was it really just two anti-government ex-Army radicals? Did they construct this idea by themselves? Did they carry out the whole thing by themselves? Are all the witnesses who say there were more people involved simply mistaken?

How about Padilla? How does he fit into this puzzle?

Some might not believe that Jose Padilla was John Doe No. 2. However, it is certainly plausible to counter that a man convicted of murder as a youth, a man linked with extreme Islamic mosques, could move to the Middle East, become a part of the worlds most wanted terrorist organization and attempt to carry out a plot to kill tens of thousands of Americans.

You must consider all of the facts.

Consider all of the possibilities.

Consider the improbable, the improvable, the unbelievable.

Then consider Padilla.


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144 posted on 06/15/2002 10:55:05 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: SEA
True. You wonder why so many people are falling over their keyboards to give the FBI the benefit of the doubt on the OKC investigation, when we know how the Clintons operated, we know what their motive would be, and we know how political the FBI bureacracy is.

They have also now been shown to be incompetent in many investigatory ways, but anyone can be sharp when the goal is instead to *not* to investigate a lead or to plant a convenient story with the willing press, or to file away important clues and eyewitness reports as "meaningless" all so they can get a clean prosecution of a willing martyr.

Clinto set the political tone for the investigation early on when he made it clear that he was blaming right-wing talk radio.

145 posted on 06/15/2002 11:01:17 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
The question I have is why people don't read the linked material but then still ask people to spell it out for them, and then after that don't seem to absorb what's re-posted anyhow. It's a waste of time to have a discussion when people disingenously set standards requiring smoking gun proof before even begrudgingly considering what is simply being called an interesting connection.

What's with the attitude? I just read your five paragraphs of rant and I still dont know the connection between John Doe #2 and the Benevolence International. Can it take more than two or three sentences to explain? Why should I try to figure out what part of the website you referred us to covers your explaination if I dont even know what the connection is supposed to be? Im not a mind reader but of course you are.

146 posted on 06/15/2002 11:21:32 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: nunya bidness
Hopefully this will answer some questions, but maybe not.

Dirty Bomb Suspect Jose Padilla/Abdullah Al-Mujahir's Timeline from 10 Different Media Souces

Mrs Kus

147 posted on 06/15/2002 11:29:18 PM PDT by cgk
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To: ValerieUSA
I remember that JD#2 was described as "olive" skinned. This was probably PC for non-white.
148 posted on 06/16/2002 12:26:39 AM PDT by HoosierFather
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To: ValerieUSA; Husker24
I remember JD2 only being described as swarthy with dark hair. The eyes are remarkably similar.
149 posted on 06/16/2002 12:58:28 AM PDT by skr
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To: sciencediet; spycatcher
The best bloggers weigh in on social and political issues, report nuggets of information that the national media miss or suppress, and provide links to other bloggers with something sharp to say. Subjects that the mainstream press is skittish about...

The best example, and one of the most politically congenial from a FReeper's point of view, is Instapundit.

-ccm

150 posted on 06/16/2002 3:13:30 AM PDT by ccmay
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To: HardStarboard
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard made the case that Michael Brescia could well have been John Doe #2 in his book "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton".

Brescia was an olive-skinned Italian-American from Philly. Anyone know what ever happened to that theory?

151 posted on 06/16/2002 4:55:35 AM PDT by Victor
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To: KirkandBurke
Ambrose also made a case for Michael Brescia as JD#2....who would fit the description even better than Andy the German.
152 posted on 06/16/2002 5:01:43 AM PDT by Victor
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To: ccmay
The best example, and one of the most politically congenial from a FReeper's point of view, is Instapundit.

That's a FReeper, huh? I truly appreciate the info and am surprised that I hadn't caught on to blogging before. I've probably run into it and just didn't know what it was or that there was a term for it. So would that make Free Republic interbloggatory blogging?

153 posted on 06/16/2002 8:10:34 AM PDT by Lady Jag
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To: ccmay; sciencediet
Maybe we should have some permanent links on the front page to the best blogs for FReepers to check out. We need to roll with the times and not just change the graphics. It would lead to many more interesting articles to post.

A few more good blogs here...

The Corner on NRO

Right Wing News

Global News Watch

Little Green Footballs

You never know what nuggets you'll find. Like I just found Justin Raimondo reviewing his news sites: Take his ratings with a large grain of salt, but he sort of praises Free Republic...

"FreeRepublic.com is the original conservative news and discussion site, and it is still the biggest. But much of the elan is gone, and I fear that dear old FR shows definite signs of senility. Gone are the free-wheeling ways of the 90s, when Jim Robinson's virtual community of conservatives was, paradoxically, an oasis of freethinking revolutionary thought on the internet – and downright fun. Also addictive. But the post-9/11 FR is quite a different place. The free discussion of ideas that operated as a general rule – the exception being personal attacks leveled at founder, usually posted by a group of nutballs whose goal in life seemed to be harassing Robinson – has been replaced by a regime of "administrative monitors" who censor individual comments and often pull entire threads.

"However, the endearing chaos of the place is intact: FR is still very freewheeling within certain parameters (the new rules are enforced unevenly, if at all). A lot of the more independent souls among the longtime Freepers (as they call themselves) refuse to be driven away by an influx of nutballs and an awful lot of PWAs – posters with an agenda, usually involving a foreign country. We aren't just talking about Israel here, whose partisans actively campaign to ban anyone and anything deemed "anti-Semitic" (i.e. anti-Ariel Sharon) – India, believe it or not, also has its little amen corner on FR, which actively campaigns to push the line put out by New Delhi: Pakistan is supporting terrorism, all Ay-rabs are evil, and what is needed is an Indo-American alliance against the whole of Islam.

"The site has also undergone a redesign, one which I'm not sure I understand, but which somehow seems like a watered-down, albeit zooped-up, version of Classic FR. I may be an old traditionalist stick-in-the-mud, but, then again, I've never denied being a reactionary of the blackest sort: in any case, I usually hate redesigns, and so, I suspect, does everybody else but the designers themselves: that's one reason for Drudge's enduring success. He's never changed the stark Courier typeface that looks pecked out on an old Royal. It goes with the hat."

154 posted on 06/16/2002 8:47:19 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
Sorry, last para:

"..Yes, change is usually evil: or, at least, it is nowadays. I know another change I'm not looking forward to, and that is the demise of FR, where they've been posting material from Antiwar.com since before the Kosovo war. For news junkies like me, FR is still one of the best sources on the internet. Not only that, but Jim Robinson is still being pursued relentlessly by the evil Los Angeles Times and the quintessence of evil, otherwise known as the Washington Post, for alleged "copyright infringement" – because FR members post articles from these publications and then discuss them online. But a simple search for articles from both newspapers posted, in their entirety, on other sites – such as the left-liberal Commondreams.org – turns up thousands of similar violations of their precious copyright. So why pick on FreeRepublic.com and its wheelchair-bound founder, suing them for millions and trying to put them out of business? Check out the Free Republic Defense Fund – because your favorite site could be next."

He has a review of Lucianne's site too

155 posted on 06/16/2002 8:51:15 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
Time Magazine has chose Padilla as person of the week.
156 posted on 06/16/2002 9:09:24 AM PDT by TexKat
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To: spycatcher
Wow. You have no idea what you are doing to a news and reading addict. This is fascinating. I have had to make a new Favorites folder, Blogs, and bookmarked those sites you listed.

I don't think I'd be the only one who would appreciate it if you might make it separate post so we can discuss it and learn more about Blogs?

157 posted on 06/16/2002 9:33:39 AM PDT by Lady Jag
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To: spycatcher;Joe Montana;Okc Submariner;Uncle Bill;rdavis84
Bump !!!!
158 posted on 06/16/2002 10:54:20 AM PDT by Donald Stone
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To: spycatcher
Actually, the FBI has been far from "incompetent". They've been more along the lines of galactically stupid and bordering on treasonous in their Keystone Kops inability to follow accepted investigative procedures and their willingness to submit to political whoring for their administrative masters.

McVeigh isn't the only OKC player that should have been executed. Some of them are still in FBI drag.

159 posted on 06/16/2002 11:00:52 AM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Andy from Beaverton
It's him awright
160 posted on 06/16/2002 12:03:41 PM PDT by bert
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