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Pledge Ruling Certifies California as the Land of Fruits and Nuts
NewsMax.com ^ | Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:36 p.m. EDT | Michael Reilly

Posted on 06/30/2002 10:19:33 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow

Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:36 p.m. EDT

Pledge Ruling Certifies California as the Land of Fruits and Nuts

NewsMax.com contributor Fr. Michael Reilly deconstructs the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruling declaring the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional.

The California federal court attacked the Pledge of Allegiance on the grounds that it established religion, a violation of the First Amendment, which is part of the Bill of Rights.

Our Constitution is based on the concept of inalienable rights, rights which the government cannot take away. What makes those rights inalienable?

According to the Declaration of Independence, man is endowed by his Creator with certain inalienable rights. In other words, the reason that the government cannot violate our basic rights is that they come from a higher source: God.

So in the name of these basic rights, the California judges claim that schoolchildren cannot invoke the name of God, because an atheist may feel like an outsider.

The fact is, the little girl in question is an outsider if she does not believe in God. Furthermore, according to the reasoning of the court, she has no rights since we cannot recognize the God who is the source and foundation of our rights.

In essence, the United States has always been a country based on Judeo-Christian values. Last week, the California courts tried to establish a new religion: secularism. They must be opposed.

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Nothing new about that religion, nor about our damn courts trying to establish it. They've been chasing God out of our public life for decades now.
1 posted on 06/30/2002 10:19:34 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow
From a legal viewpoint, what the 9th Circuit did wrong was overlook the 1943 Supreme Court decision which ruled that the pledge was voluntary.

You can't ban voluntary speech, especially if your aim is to "sanitize" all speech on government property of any reference to theism (because that would create a bias towards atheism).

If the court had said that people can't be compelled to pledge, then that would have been one thing (although possibly outside the scope of that case even then).

But they went further than that. They said that people can't make the pledge at all in front of students.

They can't do that, Constitutionally, and that's why their decision will be voided, either by themselves or by the Supreme Court.

Voluntary speech can't be banned, after all.

2 posted on 06/30/2002 10:22:19 PM PDT by Southack
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To: ThePythonicCow
Please tell everyone that this is not a California court actually. This is a federal court, serving many states in the West. We have enough trouble with our real California courts to take the blame for the federal system.
3 posted on 06/30/2002 10:24:00 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred
Yes - it was not a California court, but the Federal 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, located in San Francisco.

But the confusion is understandable.

4 posted on 06/30/2002 10:28:20 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ladyinred
Thank you. We take enough cr*p as Californians as it is...
5 posted on 06/30/2002 10:30:38 PM PDT by DB
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To: ThePythonicCow
Ah I see from your profile you live in Central California.
To the rest of the world, you might as well live in Utah.
6 posted on 06/30/2002 10:30:42 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: Southack
Southack - did the '43 decision actually say that part, against a bias toward atheism?

I hadn't noticed such, but it would be great news if they had.

7 posted on 06/30/2002 10:34:32 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow
No. The 1943 decision was before "under God" was even in the Pledge.
8 posted on 06/30/2002 10:36:31 PM PDT by Southack
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To: DB; ladyinred
I hope I didn't offend. I live in Sillycon Valley, in an extended family of 9 liberals, 1 conservative (me), and one non-participant (the dog). I sure need to stay on good terms with you folks in 'red' country -- never know when I might need to move there ...
9 posted on 06/30/2002 10:38:48 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: Southack
ok - thanks.

10 posted on 06/30/2002 10:39:18 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow
I lived in Sunnyvale for 6 years in the mid 80's...

I own 50% of a small business in San Jose.

It has been more than two years since I've been there... I do all the engineering here and I'm very grateful I don't have to live there.
11 posted on 07/01/2002 4:45:39 AM PDT by DB
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To: ThePythonicCow; Brad's Gramma; SpookBrat
Interesting things happen in my town.

The man who started all this is an ER Doc in Sacramento. Lives in Elk Grove. His wife and daughter are Christians...he's an atheist. His wife and daughter attend the same church I do. Small world.

Our pastor and the Newdow wife will be on national tv w/in the next 24 hours.

Pray for the safety of this woman and her child. How horrid that Doc Newdow is using his child as a pawn...

Will update as I hear news.

God bless you all. HSM

12 posted on 07/01/2002 9:16:07 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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