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Consenting adults: No one likes flashing blue lights
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| 07/06/2002
| SNITCH.COM
Posted on 07/06/2002 8:02:26 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
Consenting adults
Cincinnati Police Officer Steve Fox clocks traffic speed on a busy I-275 recently. Foxs duties are part of a high-visibility enforcement program, Circle Cincinnati, that aims to reduce the number of accidents. Photo by Matt Stone |
By Caleb O. Brown
SNITCH Contributing Writer
June 2002
No one likes flashing blue lights, especially on a lonely night through the rearview mirror. Your sweaty palms and racing heart are preparing you for the worst.
But why? You havent done anything wrong.
The officer approaches a few minutes later and asks for the license and registration that youve been thumbing for the last several minutes. He takes them and asks if you know why he pulled you over.
You swallow and offer a meek, No, sir, as another cruiser pulls up behind the first one.
Your taillight was out, he says, tapping your license between his fingers. You sigh, loosen your grip on the wheel and relax. The other officer runs a beam of light across the interior of your back and front seats.
The officer then adds, You mind if we look in the trunk?
You feel a bit insulted and unjustly suspected, but because you want this situation to end, you oblige and allow the officers to prod several other parts of your car as well. One officer even pats you down. You watch blandly, wanting to ask them to please leave, but you stay silent. After all, theyve got the badges and guns.
The disappointed officers end the search, thank you for your time and send you on your way. The tightness in your chest and profuse sweating havent subsided and youre furiously trying to think about how you could have, should have, handled that situation without feeling so powerless.
Pop quiz: When did you waive your right to say no? Did you consent to the seizure and subsequent search? Did the police violate your rights at all?
If youre like most people, you dont know what rights you have during a traffic stop. Whats more, you probably wouldnt stand up for them if you were a criminal law professor.
Christo Lassiter teaches criminal law at the University of Cincinnatis School of Law. Hes felt like kicking himself more than once after consenting to various minor invasions during a traffic stop.
He says the power differential between the police and lone citizens is so great that drivers innocent and guilty alike consent to things even when they know that they are waiving their rights.
In the two times I was pulled over, I found myself consenting and hating myself for it, Lassiter says. Police are trained to exploit traffic stops for maximum benefit. Lack of knowledge of your rights isnt the reason people consent.
Lassiter contends that when an officer asks for your consent, they do so in such a way that draws no distinction between the reason for the stop such as a broken taillight, rolling through a stop sign and a fishing expedition.
Lassiter says that once an officer has investigated the reason for the stop, Youre on consent time with regard to the questions that follow.
If a law enforcement officer stops you for a busted tail light, and hes finished investigating that tail light, his authority is over, Lassiter says.
He says officers are trained to get consent by making a concealed leap from legal investigation time to consent time.
Its a seamless transition, he says. Absolutely seamless. Ive got videotape of the (Ohio vs.) Robinette case, and you simply cant tell where you switch from the initial reason for the stop going 55 in a 45 zone to a narcotics check.
Ohio vs. Robinette
Sometimes its great to live in Ohio. Across the river in Kentucky, that seamless transition from the reason for the stop to the fishing expedition is a routine matter for police. The subtle transition is one that often gives police the chance to poke through a citizens passenger compartment, trunk or unlocked glove box.
In Ohio vs. Robinette, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the Fourth Amendment does not require that police give any kind of warning or say, You dont have to allow this, before seeking consent to search your car.
That made Ohio prosecutors happy. Luckily for Ohio motorists, that wasnt the final word.
Ohio Supreme Court justices found that while police officers need not give warning, the officers must clearly demonstrate that a motorist would feel free to go before an officer requests such a search.
In other words, immediately after you decline to allow police to rummage through old Dr. Pepper cans and sticky straws, you can start up your car and go about your business. In that particular circumstance, Ohio is the exception, not the rule.
Shorten the stop
Its a pretty simple process to avoid a stop, but sometimes the basics are easy to forget. Even if you have your papers in order, you may not be able to avoid the long, and sometimes annoying, arm of the law.
When an officer stops you, hell immediately ask for your license and registration. If your registration isnt with you, the officer may reasonably ask, Is this your car?
Its best to avoid that line of questioning altogether. Thus, its probably a good idea to keep those two items handy, along with making sure your car has the proper tags and all your lights and blinkers are in proper working order.
The American Civil Liberties Union produces what it calls a BustCard, a short explanation of your rights and recommendations for making your visit with The Man go a little more quickly.
Among the recommendations, the card suggests that you make it crystal clear to the officer that you do not consent to any kind of search of your vehicle. That way, if something illicit is discovered, its inadmissible in court.
Its easier than you might think to make the police stop short and sweet without out of a desire to cooperate giving up your rights.
Lassiter says that when the police ask for license and registration, the motorist should respond, Here you go officer, but I dont consent.
He believes its more important that you speak the no consent declaration many times, clearly, and at the beginning of the conversation so that there can be no question or confrontation on the matter later. Lassiter goes so far as to recommend that drivers practice so that it will be easier to refuse consent should the occasion arise.
If you can actually voice those words, you might actually win something in that dynamic, but its really hard to get that out, he said.
The ACLUs Bustcard states, If youre suspected of drunk driving (DWI) and refuse to take a blood, urine or breath test, your drivers license may be suspended.
Terry Cosgrove, of the Cincinnati Law Department, advises police on such matters. He says refusing a breathalyzer test will get your drivers license suspended, but its not a criminal penalty.
In other states, refusing a breathalyzer test is a fourth-degree misdemeanor, Cosgrove said. In Ohio, its not a separate crime.
This is routine?
Before you start denying consent left and right, though, its important to note what police can make you do during a routine traffic stop. A series of U.S. Supreme Court rulings have boiled down to a series of powers police do have, balancing the interests of public safety against Fourth Amendment protections.
Police can order a driver out of the car during a routine traffic stop. Police may frisk a passenger or order passengers out of the car, but cannot compel passengers to identify themselves. Police do not need to advise you of any of your rights unless you are arrested.
If you are arrested, police can search the available portions of your vehicle, including the available portions of the passenger compartment and if its unlocked the glove box.
Roadblocks
Police can pull you over for one of three reasons: probable cause, which means they have observed you committing a crime; reasonable suspicion, which means that, more than likely, you have not committed a crime, but you might have. Its a lower, less definite, standard.
Or, in the case of a roadblock, police can pull you over for no reason at all.
Thankfully, in Ohio, police dont engage in drunk-driving checkpoints, but its a matter of procedure for officers rather than mandate from the law books.
Cosgrove says police dont use roadblocks because police didnt find it was that effective.
He says the police department found that individual officers, for example, could take more drunk drivers off the road than the same number of officers working one roadblock.
Still, roadblocks go on all the time, but rest assured that during a roadblock, your car will not be targeted, Grateful Dead sticker or not. Officers conducting checkpoints are not allowed to use any discretion in choosing which cars are stopped at the checkpoints. This helps eliminate allegations that officers are profiling motorists.
A procedure could be every second car, every third car
a procedure where every car is treated the same, Cosgrove says.
But roadblocks generally seem to be constitutional, at least for drunk drivers.
Police in the interest of public safety can require a motorist stopped at a roadblock to step out of the car, provide lung samples, and undergo a field sobriety test.
Lassiter stresses that when an officer pulls you over, he or she is not there to give you a lesson in your rights.
Regardless of what the courts have decided, he said, police exist to investigate, stop and prevent crime.
TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
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Regardless of what the courts have decided, he said, police exist to investigate, stop and prevent crime.
Very Interesting
To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Im not a big fan of the current "hero" status the public seems to have given cops just because of 9/11 and the fact they wear a uniform. A good bit of them are on power trips and have settled for jobs as cops as a last resort. It takes a little more to be a hero than just your job title.
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07/06/2002 8:07:27 PM PDT
by
dennis1x
To: Henrietta
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"Lassiter says that when the police ask for license and registration, the motorist should respond, “Here you go officer, but I don’t consent.”"
Interesting.
To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Well, Caleb (that is the author's name), if I lived in a city as prone to riot and murder as Cincinatti, I would thank the police for pushing the envelope as far as they can in trying to ensure a modicum of safety to the hapless residents.
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posted on
07/06/2002 8:41:45 PM PDT
by
gcruse
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
...drivers innocent and guilty alike consent to things even when they know that they are waiving their rights. Sorry, but this sounds too much like making "victims" of people who make a free choice. I'm not excusing the cops; no one hates being "invaded" in this manner more than me, and I admit to a lifelong distrust of cops and their motives.
But fair's fair. If you KNOW your rights, and you choose to waive them because you don't want the hassle, or you don't want to waste the time, etc., then you've made an informed decision. Stop whining about it.
I seem to recall John Adams writing a letter to the citizens of one of the counties in New Jersey during the time that Washington's army was in retreat (this was before the battle of Trenton) before the emboldened British Army.
In essennce, now that the chips were down and it looked like REAL REDCOATS might be in the front yard, these folks were thinking of signing the loyalty pledge that Cornwallis was waving around with a promise they wouldn't be molested.
Adams basically said "you panty-waists. Why don't you act like MEN when the chips are down? So what if you're inconvenienced by Redcoats tearing up your farms, stealing your livestock and perhaps making refugees out of you. Isn't this what you knew would happen? We've got folks fighting and dying for the cause you are ready to abandon because you might get your hair mussed. Be men!"
Well, if you KNOW that you have these rights, and you DON'T choose to defend them in the face of a traffic cop, what good is your knowledge? How have you been "violated" when you didn't even put up a squeak?
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posted on
07/06/2002 8:51:32 PM PDT
by
Illbay
To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Or, in the case of a roadblock, police can pull you over for no reason at all...Clearly a violation of the fourth amendment
But roadblocks generally seem to be constitutional, at least for drunk drivers.
Well,then,they should have roadblocks just for drunk drivers and leave the rest of us out of it.
But roadblocks generally seem to be constitutional, at least to drunk judges.
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07/06/2002 9:24:12 PM PDT
by
kennyo
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Interesting article.
To: dennis1x
I agree with you to a degree. My respect for police and firemen has not changed since 9/11, they are not nor have they ever been automatically heroes in my eyes. But the hero status you mention which is given by the public is not all that bad. The media would have us believe that heroes are themselves, along with movie stars, rock stars, and athletes, in that sense it has been refreshing to have the public revere someone a little closer to the common man than the aforementioned overpaid ninnies.
To: dennis1x
Im not a big fan of the current "hero" status the public seems to have given cops just because of 9/11 and the fact they wear a uniform. A good bit of them are on power trips and have settled for jobs as cops as a last resort. It takes a little more to be a hero than just your job title.
You ungrateful little. . . .
To: kennyo
Clearly a violation of the fourth amendment
Sorry hero, its already been OK'd by the supreme court.
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To: Bill D. Berger
That has been my experience as well.
Better respect that power or else you're likely to find yourself on the wrong end of a jail cell key hole.
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
In Texas,you are not asked to take a breathalyzer untill you are arrested for DWI.Could a person demand to talk to his lawyer before submitting himself to a breathalyzer and avoid having his license suspended.You know,lawyers are hard to come by at 2 in the morning and by the time you do reach him you will probably be sober enough to pass the damn thing.
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To: Bill D. Berger
I guess that means abortion is OK with you?
Its immoral and repulsive, but not unconstitutional.
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