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The Halliburton lawsuit
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Sunday, July 14, 2002 | editorial

Posted on 07/14/2002 9:41:53 AM PDT by Willie Green

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:02:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Judicial Watch, that persistent legal barker headed by legal eagle Larry Klayman, bravely spent years doggedly pursuing the machinations of the Clinton administration. And for that, it and he regularly were tagged as purely partisan and conservative yippers. Hence, what has surprised some is the target of Judicial Watch's most recent lawsuit.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: larryklayman
Interesting editorial from Richard Mellon Scaife's newspaper.

I suppose the bushbots will accuse him of not being a real member of the VRWC.

1 posted on 07/14/2002 9:41:53 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
And the Larry sycophants will sing his praises. Me? I'm waiting to see Larry accomplish something-- meaning prove to be something more than an annoying, buzzing gnat.
2 posted on 07/14/2002 9:46:30 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: RiShi
Halliburton and Vice President Dick Cheney
will be found not only squeeky clean but
"how to" squeeky clean.....
4 posted on 07/14/2002 9:53:39 AM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: Willie Green
And let the chips fall where they may.

That's not authorized under the current regime. We're at war, doncha know?

5 posted on 07/14/2002 9:59:56 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Willie Green
Larry Klayman and Judicial Watch expect to go just WHERE with this lawsuit? They were so badly discredited by the lamestream media in their pursuit of the "Former Occupant of the Oval Office, 1993-2001", this could only be an attempt to revive their badly tarnished image. I am sure that Dick Cheney has completely acceptable explanations for his actions while in a position of influence with Halliburton, and there shall not be proved any malfeasance or intent of malice. In fact, a full exploration is perhaps the best antidote to the stories that attempt to prove lies by innuendo. Like Dubya in his deal with Harken, in the end, there will be no "there" there.
6 posted on 07/14/2002 10:13:19 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: cactusSharp
I think Cheney will come off the cleanest. These problems are between the Halliburton CFO and the Internal/External audit folks. The CFO is most likely to have the relationship with the external auditors to push the accounting envelope. Cheney and other CEOs are decision makers, and they have to rely on the info they get from their finance and accounting staffs. Add to that Cheney's comparative lack of private sector business expertise, and he becomes a figurehead, listening to all his direct reports advice.

The gotcha will be "we'll get rich, unless we get caught" memo that probably does not exist, AND IMHO, probably would have pissed off Cheney--as he already had a fat gubmint pension and a solid reputation to protect.

The gray gotcha will be, "hey Dick, Enron and Worldcom are doing it, so it must be legal!" which is probably closer to the truth.

7 posted on 07/14/2002 10:13:46 AM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: Willie Green
Klayman, all bark & little if any bite. But this time he has bit off more than he can chew.

There is no record of JW ever filing their 990's on time. They always ask for a "special extension" because they are never ready. And they have never posted their public IRS filings or financials on their web site. There have been "questions" about money being "funneled" to Klaymans Florida Corp. and to Klayman's Law firm. Also questions regarding a condo Klayman uses. And, they are being audited by the IRS. And they are "fighting" the audit.*

There are 700,000+ nonprofit corporations in America. Many are only in "business" to push their own particular political views and/or enrich their handlers. We need to reform the system that allow some of these entities to take advantage of laws originally designed to help charities. Something JW is far from.

*This all means nothing, of course. But Klayman and JW have sued people over a lot less....
8 posted on 07/14/2002 10:21:02 AM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: Willie Green
The liberals were right. "Legal Bomb Thrower" perfectly suits Klayman.
9 posted on 07/14/2002 10:24:07 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Jhoffa_
The liberals were right. "Legal Bomb Thrower" perfectly suits Klayman.

The liberals were RIGHT???

You mean you've now changed your mind and believe that it was "just about sex"???

10 posted on 07/14/2002 10:28:50 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
No, I think Klayman is a "legal bomb thrower"

I don't think he was as interested in Clinton's crimes as he was in headlines and donations.

I bet he sues to have footrests attached to all the local ambulances next.
11 posted on 07/14/2002 10:31:49 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Willie Green
Dubya said his administration would not have even the "appearance" of impropriety. What he didn't say was his administration would respond to ethical questions with only the "appearance" of cooperation.
12 posted on 07/14/2002 10:32:31 AM PDT by Hardy Harhar
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To: Willie Green
Klayman never won any of his suits aginst the Clinton's. He is a con artist and the publicity gets him donations, that is what it is all about. That article praising him is total Bull Sh--!
13 posted on 07/14/2002 10:34:06 AM PDT by Texbob
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To: RiShi
And what has Cheney done?
No answer right? Just your little smear!
14 posted on 07/14/2002 10:34:47 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: evolved_rage
and I'm betting the gray area will be white shocked to "find" a memo from Cheney saying .."could
care
less ,we do it right"......
15 posted on 07/14/2002 10:40:51 AM PDT by cactusSharp
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To: Willie Green
Newsweek: Halliburton CEO Says Cheney Knew About Firm's Accounting Practices


17 posted on 07/14/2002 11:38:40 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Willie Green
OK, I'm going to be the first to admit that I enjoyed Klayman's antics during the clintoon admin. I never expected him to get anywhere, and he didn't.
But I really am tired of him now that we have a GOP admin.

Do we have to wait for another turn of control before we decide that this stuff is a big waste of time and money? Maybe so, but one turn each should be enough!

19 posted on 07/14/2002 6:37:44 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: Hardy Harhar
One thing is abundantly clear, today's messengers are irresponsibly careless with those pens they wield. We've been treated to major lies, slanderous personal attacks of the lowest sort by Daschle, Carville, NY Times, Clinton and co....and NO, Republicans do NOT do this. They do NOT falsely accuse Democrats....NOT for partisan politics during election years, NOT to hurt our nation's economy for partisan politics during an election year, NOT to prevent necessary defense spending during wartime (we can no more ignore the militant Muslim terrorist cells than we can pretend 9-11 didn't happen), and NOT because "it's fun to push their buttons" as a DNC memo stated recently....because most Republicans believe they're accountable to God, and slanderous personal attacks are one of the Big 10 no-nos.

How do we know that Dick Cheney is an honorable man, of good report? Ask his former employees, his friends, his family, his neighbors...look at his employment record, his service, his words, his maturity in behavior and speech. This is what every American deserves to know about our VP.

The NY Times is still the most-cited news source, in spite of their major lies re. civilian casualties in Afghanistan early in the war, abuse of prisoners at Gitmo, Israeli mass-murdering Palestinians at Jenin, not to mention the regular publication of classified info from career Rats within the Pentagon...and not one NY Times reporter is in jail today. In addition, the major news networks/papers still choose to use this unreliable source to determine the day's spin story.

America's fortunate to have a man of Dick Cheney's experience, maturity and character in DC right now. America is not being served well by the fourth estate, or the greedy opposition. Trial lawyers are salivating over the DNC/press corporate attacks...big $$$$ for the Dems. this election year (and Jesse Jackson's lining up for seconds).

Sorry, the "appearance" of impropriety is not with Cheney, but is with his accusers playing the only game they know....the politics of personal destruction.

20 posted on 07/14/2002 7:34:29 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Willie Green
Willie, Try this on for size--when Klayman was a gadfly during the Clinton administration he never made it on prime time news and when they referred to his organization it was the "conservative activist group". Now that he is a gadfly for Bush administration he is referred by the prime time news and CNN as a "watchdog group". And all the lawsuits that he brought upon Clinton and Gore never made it to the news but Cheney was in all the 6pm news shows.

Klayman was the bozo who claimed that Laura Bush was corrupt b/c she had tea with Hillary Clinton at the turnover of government.And from that day on he called the Bush administration corrupt.

Klayman sued his mom for $15000. (His own mama)!! And I think she had to pay up. Heartless!!!

I have peronally called and spoken to Mr. Klayman and he is after money--that is (As God is my witness,this is the truth) when I called his office to complain about his not going after Daschle, his receptionist answered with "How much money do you want to donate".

And his assistant went as far as to suggest that the squeaky wheel is the one with the most money. And he wanted to know if I was a member of Judicial Watch.

This guy sells online badges for people who want to be "detectives for JW" As well as umbrellas, watches, etc.

This guy is dangerous b/c he is a lawyer and can file suits. I don't think he has won any. And he filed suit on the VP without any evidence--the SEC is still investigating. Where I come from that is known as a frivolous lawsuit.

I am sorry you are so happy about this story but the guy is a NUT>!!!
21 posted on 07/14/2002 8:23:30 PM PDT by olliemb
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To: Willie Green
Willie, it was about character and morals and lying under oath. You just don't get it, do you?
22 posted on 07/14/2002 8:26:39 PM PDT by olliemb
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To: Hardy Harhar
Name the appearances of cooperation, please.
23 posted on 07/14/2002 8:27:35 PM PDT by olliemb
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To: Uncle Bill
And what does this mean? What is he being accused of doing? Huh, not even the SEC knows if there has been any wrongdoing.
24 posted on 07/14/2002 8:29:27 PM PDT by olliemb
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To: olliemb
Willie, it was about character and morals and lying under oath. You just don't get it, do you?

Tell it to Jhoffa_.

He's the one claiming that "the liberals were right."

25 posted on 07/14/2002 8:31:37 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
A Mega company such as Halliburton is a full service engineering, procurement, and construction entity. When bidding EPC for a billion dollar contract on a lump sum basis, the quality of that estimate is only as good as the estimate information provided by the client. For that reason, lump sum estimates are submitted + or - 5 to 25%. During execution of the project, "production check estimates" are scheduled on a regular basis to re-cast the original estimate and release contingency funds. When in construction, field change notices are written to reflect added work do to client changes or engineering errors or in schedule delays because of bulk material and equipment delays. Every change notice except for engineering errors is a reimbursable cost either from the client or the equipment vendors. Those change notices are then submitted to the client and reimbursed by them. Legal action is usually required to gain non-performance costs from vendors. However; each dollar held in the form of a construction change notice OR an engineering scope change is an account receivable at the end of plant commissioning.

I will not even try to go into contracts that are based on joint venture construction projects that a commonly made up of 2 or more multinational EPC firms with Halliburton being the Project Manager for the overall effort.

26 posted on 07/14/2002 8:36:31 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Hardy Harhar
Oh, please. Don't tell me you have never heard of frivolous lawsuits. Please, while the GAO is out at the behest of senate investigating and subpoening the VP, who is investigating the senate? Why should Cheny answer to their demands or subpoenas--that what courts are for or do you have different standards for the administration.

Who did Daschle meet with to formulate his energy plan? Why are you not interested in knowing how much input the environmentalists and the ethanol people and anyone else had in the formulating of the energy plan. And who do you think wrote the new finance reform bill--you probably don't know but I would be willng to guess it was them personal injury lawyers.

Seem to cooperate to you means turning over and let them sc*** you. Get a back bone hardy, your point of appearance of cooperation only mentioned the Cheney energy task force--and you mentioned Klayman in the same breath--hardy, harhar--you aren't serious are you? Klayman is a gadfly who is a nuisance at filing frivolous lawsuits.

You have proven my point--you have no examples, do you. Gotcha!!!
28 posted on 07/15/2002 12:20:54 PM PDT by olliemb
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