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To: toenail; Uncle Bill; Siobhan; patent; independentmind; Dumb_Ox
I didn't realize he'd have the audacity to feature in the record the exact experts by whom he was most taken and for whose Dynamic Leadership he had only the highest hopes. I guess there is more to come than I thought.

What a piece of luck the nation was embroiled in an orgy of sex and druge, violence and revolution and the Catholic Church was reeling from the crisis of Vatican II while the Long-Range Planners were busy about their work in developing talking points and securing the State's right to control us absolutely through Education sufficient that we Choose wisely lest our ignorance cause them to Force us bend to their will.

What a piece of luck most "think like Bush" these days. Who knows what horrors our alacrity in embracing the Culture of Death has postponed for us.

Anyway, I suspect you've brought this thread to a crashing halt with that last excerpt. Fine by me. We'll have the place to ourselves as I figure out whatever happened to Handler and Egeberg.

A crying shame we can't attribute these quotes to some Democrat and thereby focus much-needed attention on the truth about our Government instead of causing the weak of heart and mind to indulge in the usual dose of rank denial as they huddle together in their Cult of Personality.

65 posted on 07/21/2002 11:50:05 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Dane; Wait4Truth; ravingnutter
Perhaps, given Bush's specific endorsement of these men's ideas as a part of the Report on which his name appears, you could get busy on tracking down anything resembling a retraction on H. Bush's part of the notion that procreation is the gravest threat facing mankind or that we could breed Mozarts like cattle given sufficient leeway with and progress in the field of biochemistry.

Unfortunately, having tried in vain to uncover just such correction myself (having discovering his "Body Politic" quotes posted above), I'm almost confident the only thing you're going to find resembling a retraction of any sort is his ballyhooed break-up with his good friend, the sensible Alan Guttmacher, once Planned Parenthood "made abortion their rallying cry." (Not that he broke with his wife once he was safely past campaigning and she was able to speak her mind on the subject.)

One thing, though ...

Please, whatever you do, don't insult my intelligence and post anything from an election year.

For, as we all know, during election years the Stupid Party likes to soak in the Personal Convictions upon which they'll elect leaders from the "I'm personally opposed, but ..." pool of candidates. They don't actually expect their candidates to live by these personal convictions.

(To wit ... George W. Bush's belief that life begins at conception having no bearing on his decision for ESCR and his sensible rejection of global warming/greenhouse gas scenarios taking a 180 as he embraces the heart of the Deep Ecology's premise that Humans are responsible for both.)

So, in essence, election year statements mean Nothing where Republicans are concerned.

It would be different, of course if we were talking about Principled Democrats who evidence an uncompromising loyalty to their Personal Convictions on issues like abortion or the Environment regardless the self-evident truths or hard science which render their personal convictions the stuff of fairy tales. No bit of science or logic or self-evident truth budges the Litmus Test loyalty of a Democrat to his personal convictions.

Happy hunting, keep me posted. I'll be looking as well and will bump you to anything I find.

66 posted on 07/21/2002 12:00:10 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Speaking of sperm banks and race scientists, William Shockley spanked into a cup, so that humanity could be blessed with his superior germ plasm, deposited at the Hermann J. Muller Repository for Germinal Choice.
68 posted on 07/21/2002 1:06:47 PM PDT by toenail
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To: Askel5
Also, do you think it's coincidence that Bush II's pick for head of the EPA (with their population control agenda) is a pro-abort Catholic-hater?

The Rockefeller Republican contempt for man is, other than abortion, most clearly shown in the quest for, and name of, immunocontraceptives. Immunized against offspring. Immunized.

Until they find their Holy Grail of Population Control, a mass sterilization agent that can be put in the water supply, a la Ehrlich, quick "immunization" shots are the easiest and cheapest alternative to surgical or chemical sterilization. Round up the useless breeders, and inject 'em (foreign roundups [see "India"], and domestic propaganda). I think that one useful role that the NRLC plays for the population controllers is to maintain, as was done thirty years ago, the abhorrence of abortion as a catalyst for expanding contraceptive use. There are no doubt many good people in the NRLC, but I've completely abandoned the parallel GOP defense of "we're just incompetent."

69 posted on 07/21/2002 1:19:56 PM PDT by toenail
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To: Askel5
A crying shame we can't attribute these quotes to some Democrat and thereby focus much-needed attention on the truth about our Government

Here's a good one from one of your faves, E Michael Jones:

"...in November of 1964...Rockefeller and Bernard Berelson traveled to Washington seeking an audience with Lyndon Baines Johnson. What they got was a meeting with Dean Rusk, secretary of state under John F.Kennedy, and the Rockefeller operative who had pulled the plug on Kinsey when Kinsey's sex surveys became a matter of public embarrassment in the wake of the Reece hearings. Through Rusk's ministrations, a sentence was inserted into Johnson's January 4, 1965, State of the Union message, in which the president announced to the world that he would "seek new ways to use our knowledge to help deal with the explosion in world population and the growing scarcity in world resources." Rockefeller's biographers see the statement as "a decisive turning point "in changing the public's aversion to contraception and paving the way for the government's involvement in disseminating at first information about contraception and then the contraceptives themselves. pg.433, Libido Dominandi

It's not exactly a killer quote, but public statements had to be more veiled in 1965 before Griswald vs. Connecticut and the sexual revelution generally. Wouldn't LBJ's statement be the first public expression of the elite's intentions?

Also, it seems to me that Rusk, McNamara, et al. would have been more than happy to implement the ideas uttered be JHW Bush, but weren't in power circa 1970 when it was possible to implement effective policies. Rusk et al. were perfectly willing and able, but the GOP won the election and beat them to it.

Am also in total agreement that real pro-life action will come about through groups like ALL, Priests for Life, and I might add, Michigan RTL led by Barbara Listing. Thousands of local groups will have to provide the impetus if there's to be real change. That, plus Divine intervention, and we'll have the pro-aborts licked!!

One more thing--you know Mike? I take Celtic dancing lessons with him and his wife Ruth down at St. Pat's in South Bend on Sundays. They're kind enough to invite me over for dinner when they have guests in from out of town. I provide the "local color." He's a good man.

95 posted on 07/21/2002 6:32:35 PM PDT by ishmac
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