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Israel readying anti-sniper system
The Times of India ^ | July 20 2002 | PTI

Posted on 07/20/2002 4:10:03 PM PDT by knighthawk

WASHINGTON: Israeli marksmen and counter-terror squads deployed along the Palestinian areas of the West Bank are field-testing a new anti-sniper system designed for the early detection of enemy snipers, media reports said.

The anti-sniper system, Believer is completing the developmental testing under actual urban warfare conditions and awaits approval for the full rate production, Defence News Weekly quoted Israeli officials as saying.

The system that costs around 2 million dollars per copy, can detect the enemy sniper within one-third of a second tracing the bullet path and it either return fire automatically or reveal the exact sniper location to the tactical field commanders.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antisniper; banglist; israel; miltech
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To: FreedomPoster

Been in development for a few years . First I saw of the (not this one specificly) same sort of system was Bosnia.......

Stay Safe

41 posted on 07/20/2002 7:42:19 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: FreedomPoster; Myrddin; Poohbah; Squantos; Lazamataz
Well it gets my attention! I have read about anti mortar tech based on radar which would reveal the source location, I don't know if this anti sniper system is strictly sound based, radar, microwave or what.

I would think that for the mid term this type of system would be best for the protection of long term fixed positions where all the local acoustic geometry and anomolies can be debugged thoroughly. That is to say, protecting an Israeli neighborhood or settlement from the enemy, or high value fixed targets such as 1600 PA Ave etc.

I don't think this will be the type of system which would just be rolled up to a new site and prove effective right away, but I could be wrong.

42 posted on 07/20/2002 10:54:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: FreedomPoster
I should have read 28 first!
43 posted on 07/20/2002 10:56:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Squantos
Am I correct that this sytem pings laser radar (what ever that is) in the direction of suspected hostiles and finds shiny optical glass by reflection?

Countermeasures? Cover the lens until the last moment, shoot and scoot? What else to do?

I must assume that if this is getting print today, the USSS has had it for years.

44 posted on 07/20/2002 11:06:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Do you remember the phased array radar that the army deployed in Beirut in 1983? The only thing it didn't pick up was the tank shells and the direct fire rockets!

This sounds impressive! How goes the book?

Regards,

TS

45 posted on 07/20/2002 11:16:34 PM PDT by The Shrew
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To: LibWhacker
"it can trace the path of each bullet leaving the muzzle of a machine gun as they're coming out"


I think I may have seen the same show, did the test it with a mp5 submachine gun and an assault rifle?
46 posted on 07/20/2002 11:22:11 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: PhilDragoo
Yawn...

A a Marine I could deliver headshots with nine rounds out of every ten rounds from 600 yards out using only a peephole sight.

If this system works by detecting the optics that snipers use....it wont be picking off any Marine Corps Riflemen anytime soon.

47 posted on 07/20/2002 11:37:20 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
That's fine if you have 20/20 vision!
48 posted on 07/20/2002 11:41:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: VaBthang4
I like the auto-supression feature. Linked to what? A 50 cal on single shot computer controled? Bang-bang-BAM...
49 posted on 07/20/2002 11:44:13 PM PDT by American in Israel
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To: Travis McGee
I was wearing my Government issued BC [Birth Control] glasses.
50 posted on 07/20/2002 11:46:55 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: American in Israel
Naw....hook it up to a jessy Ventura minigun.

While on float in the Med aboard the Marine Corps WASP. They zipped a drone overhead and let the gatling gun loose on it...

That thing pulled up and began to track....then all you heard was one low, constant VROOOM.

Then we all got a nice frosting of softly descending drone pieces.

51 posted on 07/20/2002 11:50:54 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
It sounds like this system looks for lenses, so eyeglasses are out too, I think.

BTW, I read that Israeli General Moshe Dayan earned his eyepatch while looking over a berm through binocs. The mulitple lenses slowed the Egyptian bullet down a lot, but not enough.

52 posted on 07/20/2002 11:52:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
Works on "sound" I believe....look at the pic and note the mic's on the stands........

Stay Safe !

53 posted on 07/21/2002 12:11:49 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Travis McGee
I dont see it zooming in and smoking every poor sap that happens to be wearing a pair of Kenneth Cole frames.

Probably a little more high speed then that.

54 posted on 07/21/2002 12:27:05 AM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Travis McGee
Sorry...."than"
55 posted on 07/21/2002 12:27:33 AM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
I dunno. Maybe maybe not. If it's looking for the shine from a lense, I don't see how it can tell the end of a scope or binocs as mentioned from an eyeglass lens.
56 posted on 07/21/2002 12:37:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
There appear to be two devices/detection capabilities being discussed here: An acoustic one to locate the source of a fired shot, and a laser one to locate the shine off of optics. I guess this latter can tell the difference between a flat piece of glass and a shaped lens.

I must assume that if this is getting print today, the USSS has had it for years.

Bingo! The was one of the obvious thoughts about this - how long has it been deployed already? How long was the F-117 around before they became widely known?

57 posted on 07/21/2002 1:26:40 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: The Ghost of Richard Nixon
Nah, the F-16 is too small for the serious work. Sell B-52's to Israel now!
58 posted on 07/21/2002 3:44:41 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Travis McGee
The anti-artillery system is named COBRA (Counter Battery Radar). International website
AN/TPQ-36 Firefinder Radar
AN/TPQ-37 Firefinder Radar
59 posted on 07/21/2002 3:54:15 AM PDT by knighthawk
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METRAVIB RDS - PILAR ANTI SNIPER SYSTEM - GUNSHOT DETECTION AND LOCALIZATION

The PILAR-MKII is the portable ground based version of gun shot detection and localization system with two antennas linked to a CPU for combined processing. From the detection of acoustic waves of the passing bullet (shock wave) and the firing weapon (muzzle blast) the system yields and records, using patented signal-processing algorithms

60 posted on 07/21/2002 3:59:40 AM PDT by knighthawk
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