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Who Were The Knights Templar? (Sunday History Read)
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| Stephen Dafoe and Alan Butler
Posted on 07/21/2002 10:01:31 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
LOL!!! I keep telling myself, "You bought it, now finish it!" Part of the reason is all those Italian names start to swarm together- "ini's" everywhere, and I get all the characters confused.
To: SR71A
While feel similarly to you about secret handshakes and such, I am more positively disposed to the Masons. First, George Washington was a Mason and I am a devoted Washingtonian. Second, as an amateur historian of the American Revolution, it is enlightening to learn how much the ideas of 18th century Freemasonry contributed to the founding of this Republic.
The secret stuff does keep me from applying for membership however.
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posted on
07/21/2002 1:11:47 PM PDT
by
Pharmboy
To: Katya
The monasteries created towns, schools and the need for trained knights guaranteed a boy of modest means the avenue for progress and property. This was entirely a western invention not based on any caste system. I wonder how much of the persecutions were a result of the fear by the papacy/aristocracy of this rise of the individual. In its most basic sense, Christianity gives every individual worth and value they never had before in the ancient world, and the emigrant Irish monasteries were a way of recivilizing and rechristianizing Europe amid the Dark Ages.
To: drjoe
Excellent book! Any freepers who haven't read it, one piece of advice: don't let the first fifty or so pages put you off. Eco starts a bit slow, but he'll make it up to you.
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posted on
07/21/2002 1:35:39 PM PDT
by
Gwaihir
To: Pharmboy
YORKRITE. Most Jews who become Masons go the Scottish rite. Because (as I understand it) to go Yorkrite you must absolutely swear to be of the CHRISTIAN faith. That is my next step as a Mason.
To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Wait, I thought that legend ocurred because the French Revolution began on Friday the 13th in 13something and it started simultaneously all over France because the Masons/Templars had it preplanned that way. They had an old enemity with the Knights of Malta and those folks were specifically targeted in the initial round of fighting. I'm not a "world history" guy (although I have taught it in the past) when I teach core curriculum, I'm more of an American History person; and American Government.
To: ExSoldier
Thanks for the clarification. Good luck on your Masonic pursuits.
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posted on
07/21/2002 2:53:03 PM PDT
by
Pharmboy
To: stands2reason; one_particular_harbour
I keep telling myself, "You bought it [The Island of the Day Before], now finish it!"My copy was a gift from my father, whose recommendations are normally gospel, and the only reason it is not still half-read on my nightstand is because I got rid of the nightstand. Of course, he now claims that "Oh, no, Eco is a fraud", in response to my offering that "Eco is supposed to be a deep thinker, so maybe I missed something..."
Note that this is a man who thought that notes from Martin Heidegger's lectures weren't worth the paper he had written them on.
To: SR71A
Ah, the Masons, and the Knights Templar -- the Templars were the original conspiracy crowd. They would have had tinfoil helmets, if it was around in those days.It was. 2000+ years ago, it was exported from Southern Brittan.
To: Pharmboy
First, George Washington was a Mason and I am a devoted Washingtonian. Second, as an amateur historian of the American Revolution, it is enlightening to learn how much the ideas of 18th century Freemasonry contributed to the founding of this Republic.The majority of the Founding Fathers were Masons. The majority of the Presidents were Masons. One large advantage of becoming a Mason is that you move in very "connected" circles, both at the local level, and regional and national levels. As you saw by my smileys, I was being facetious -- don't underestimate the political and financial power of FreeMasonry. I just never had the interest to "push" myself forward that much.
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posted on
07/21/2002 3:04:30 PM PDT
by
SR71A
To: SR71A
General Washington's Inauguration in NYC, April 30, 1789
1. Frederick William von Steuben, a Mason, was an army officer and aide-de-camp to Frederick the Great of Prussia. Von Steuben became a Major General during the Revolution and was known as the "drill master of the Continental Army."
2. John Jay, right and in the foreground, then Secretary of State, later became a Supreme Court Justice.
3. John Adams was the first Vice President and became the second President of the United States .
4. Henry Lee, a Mason, was known as "Light Horse Harry Lee" because of his brilliant cavalry operations in the Revolutionary War. He was also the father of General Robert E. Lee.
5. Robert R. Livingston, a Mason, was Chancellor of the State of New York and Grand Master of New York Masons from 1784 to 1800. He is to Lee's right, by the railing.
6. Samuel Otis, Secretary of the Senate, holds the Bible from St. John's Lodge No. 1, New York City.
7. George Washington, a Mason, stands with his right hand placed on the Bible.
8. Morgan Lewis, a Mason, was Grand Marshall during this ceremony and later became a Major General in the War of 1812. He was elected Grand Master of New York Masons in 1830.
9. Frederick A. C. Muhlenberg, a Mason, appears in a gold-colored coat. Born in Pennsylvania, he was educated in Germany as a Lutheran clergyman and was the elected Speaker of the House of Representatives.
10. Arthur St. Clair, a Mason, is dressed in military uniform. He was born in Scotland and came to America with the British Army in 1757 only to become a Major General in the Continental Army. At the time of the inauguration, he was the Governor of the Northwest Territory.
11. George Clinton, next to St. Clair, was Governor of New York at the time of the inauguration.
12. Henry Knox, a Mason, was a close adviser to Washington and a Major General and Chief of Artillery in the Revolutionary Army. He is to the far right in the painting and was Secretary of War at the time of Washington's first inauguration.
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posted on
07/21/2002 3:25:07 PM PDT
by
Pharmboy
To: bandleader
I thought those were the Knights of Malta, a related but not identical organization. (Maybe they were the same.)
To: another cricket
There was somebody on the Art Bell show (when it was hosted by Barbara) who thinks it may be hidden on Oak Island (Nova Scotia). That is where some of it could be hidden or it could be hype.
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posted on
07/21/2002 3:51:47 PM PDT
by
Aliska
To: KayEyeDoubleDee
Eco is really an amazing writer, I wish I could read his work in the original language. He is also a professor and has written several textbooks on language and its structure. I just finished reading "Island" and thought it was great. Oh the problems of being shipwrecked on a ship and not knowing how to swim to shore.
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posted on
07/21/2002 4:09:47 PM PDT
by
Brad C.
To: Pharmboy
Actually, you can walk into almost any public library or large bookstore and find books with all of the "secret stuff" written down in plain english, and probably any other language. Many of us Masons say our best kept secret is that we have no secrets.
It is the application of the things that are frequently inculcated to us inside the lodge room that make Masonry special. Most Masons will tell you that the purpose of Masonry is to make good men better. It's not magic, and its not a cure all for everyone, but it is something that works very well for me and my brothers, every where in the world.
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posted on
07/21/2002 4:19:17 PM PDT
by
Brad C.
To: BooBoo1000
Well, hello companion!
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posted on
07/21/2002 4:36:35 PM PDT
by
a_Turk
To: dubyaweluvya
"True heirs of Jesus"
Please explain. Jesus never married and since he is considered sinless he surely never committed adultery. How can he have heirs?
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posted on
07/21/2002 4:42:48 PM PDT
by
mercy
To: mercy
IIRC, they believe Jesus had children via Mary Magdelene...
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posted on
07/21/2002 4:44:23 PM PDT
by
OHelix
To: drjoe
The lesson of Foucault's Pendulum is that history and its various elucidations in part form a type of meta-psychosis that plagues the mind of mankind. A well-spring of contrived validations serving a cornucopia of aspirations, from the vile to the majestic, from the humble to megalomaniac.
Indeed we pay for the sins of our fathers, as actors unaware we caught up in the whirlwinds of a self-inflicted paranoid delusion in a quest for significance and meaning.
An unending jihad to destroy the 'evil ones', flinging glorified feces at each other in a primal territorial war of ideology.
Evil is mans deep recognition and eager exploitation of his fellow mans psychological weakness, his vice, his vanities and the thirst for revenge against forces he deems responsible for his own powerlessness.
Doctoral supremecy measured not in terms of truth, but in terms of functionality: does it achieve dominance by any means.
Our holy grail is an irresistable, unassailable, impervious ideology that will eradicate every source of these mystical aberrations, to end the haunting of ourselves.
To: Aliska
Well, either there is something hidden on Oak Island or it is the worlds most elaborate practical joke. Although I doubt it is the Templar relics, those probably ended up in Scotland as well.
a.cricket
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