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CAPTION THIS PICTURE
YAHOO ^ | 7-23-02

Posted on 07/23/2002 10:02:05 AM PDT by TheOtherOne

Israeli experts in Transcendental Meditation and Yogic Flying demonstrate their technique in Tel Aviv Tuesday July 23, 2002. The experts claim that Israel needs a permanent group of 500 people to meditate in order to neutralize the acute ethnic and religious tensions that fuel violence in the region. (AP Photo/Eitan Hess-Ashkenazi).

Tue Jul 23,11:22 AM ET



TOPICS: Israel; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: flying; israel; yoga
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To: rwfromkansas
Uh, they are hopping. Haven't you ever seen a video of what they are doing? It's just hopping.
41 posted on 07/23/2002 2:27:12 PM PDT by techcor
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To: BillinDenver
you actually believe that the journalist would knowingly fake this photo????

Come on!!

And the lady in the background isn't laughing or something as far as I can tell.
42 posted on 07/23/2002 2:28:20 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
If for some reason you are serious, I think the journalists taking pictures could tell if the guy was bouncing up and down

Check out the flyer in the background, he's on the way up and you can see his feet and ankles extended.

The guy in the foreground is prepared for landing.

A yogi and his money are soon parted.

Hey Booboo, watch me fly over and grab that pic-a-nic basket.

43 posted on 07/23/2002 2:28:22 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: rwfromkansas
Her face is blocked, so never mind. My point is...if this is a fake as you claim, than the journalist, the AP, the bystanders, and the yoga people are all in on it.....
44 posted on 07/23/2002 2:30:08 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: TheOtherOne

Hmmmmm...the Wall Street 'Dead Cat' bounce???

45 posted on 07/23/2002 2:30:21 PM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: BillinDenver
I have no doubt there are frauds, but just because some people are frauds does not make every instance of (possible) levitation to be fraudulent. I did notice the difference in postures between the guy in the background the foreground and that is definitely interesting. However, I can't believe journalists (that scoff at paranormal stuff in the first place) would join in on a scam by taking this photo and sending it back to HQ, where no doubt folks are laughing it up over the photo (and probably at the photographer for being "unprofessional" for taking such a photo).
47 posted on 07/23/2002 2:34:26 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Delbert
I saw this pic on yahoo thread. can this possibly be real?...

It's "real" in the sense that the photo doesn't involve trick photography or special effects.

However...

From Doug Henning and the Giggling Guru : Notes of a Fringe-Watcher (Skeptical Inquirer / May 1995):

Vedic flying has been the most publicized of the sidhis. Photographs distributed by TM officials show devotees in a lotus position and seemingly floating in midair. The photos are misleading. No TMer has yet demonstrated levitation to an outsider. The best they can show is the ability to flex one's legs while in a lotus position on a springy mattress and hop upward a short distance. The phony photos were snapped when the supposed floater was at the top of a bounce. One cynic said he never believed the woman in a picture was actually levitating, that instead she was being held up by an invisible TMer!

The flying sidhi has four stages. First, a twitching of limbs. Second, the hop. Third, hovering. Fourth, actual flying. Only the first and second stages have been shown to skeptics, although devout TMers firmly believe that there are Vedic flyers in India and that Maharishi can take off whenever he likes even though no one has ever seen or videotaped him in flight.

"When you reach your full potential," Henning told a reporter, "and you think 'I want to levitate,' you can levitate." And in a lecture: "You can disappear at a high state of consciousness because your body just stops reflecting light."

Amazingly, TMers are greatly entranced by lotus hopping. Last October a demonstration was held at the University of Toronto. Three Vedic "flyers" giggled while they bounced on their bums for five minutes, looking (said one observer) like legless frogs.

[snip]

Since he started TM, the giggling guru has raked in an estimated $3 billion from his millions of gullible followers. He now controls a vast empire that includes a conglomeration of Heaven on Earth Hotels around the world, a consulting corporation, numerous trading companies, medical clinics, and other firms here and there.


48 posted on 07/23/2002 2:35:51 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: BillinDenver
Okay, it sounds like the photo does involve what you describe....yogic flying is bouncing, not actual levitation. I was apparently wrong and thought that it was. The real caption says it is yogic flying. So, you are right that this is simply bouncing.
49 posted on 07/23/2002 2:38:44 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
Yeah, the photographer is real stupid and can't tell that people are hopping instead of levitating. /saracasm

Yeah, the people are really levitating, that's far more likely than some con artist trying to make a buck... /sarcasm

50 posted on 07/23/2002 2:39:52 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: OHelix
I would think that it would be forbidden by Levitical Law being steeped in pagan religion.

I used to think so too. However I do remember a series of seminars given several years ago by an Orthodox rabbi who had developed a "kosher" version of TM. Since I did not attend any of the seminars I don't know anything more than that.

52 posted on 07/23/2002 3:01:51 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: rwfromkansas
Her face is blocked, so never mind. My point is...if this is a fake as you claim, than the journalist, the AP, the bystanders, and the yoga people are all in on it.....

No.

The bystanders see people hopping, and someone photographing it. They don't have to be "in on" any intent to mislead.

The hoppers are hopping, and allow themselves to be photographed. They don't have to be "in on" any intent to mislead.

The photographer most likely took dozens of photographs, many of which would make it obvious that the folks were hopping and not "flying". He doesn't have to be "in on" any intent to mislead.

The editor who chose the photograph to put on the AP wire would likely decide that the most "interesting" one would be the one that looked like the folks hoppers were suspended in air. He's the one most reponsible for being misleading, but even then he may have presumed that readers would know that the hoppers weren't really "flying". Or he may have been a "true believer" of paranormal horse manure and thought he was spreading the "truth" to the multitudes.

The AP gets the photo and the "doesn't quite claim the folks are really flying" caption, considers it an amusing "human interest" item, and runs it without a direct intent to mislead.

This is how this sort of crap gets run all the time.

It's not a conspiracy, it's sloppy journalism.

It's like how the "George W. Bush and his 88 IQ" story got four times around the world before anyone thought to notice, much less double check, the highly questionable items in the "story". Not to mention all the other sorts of hogwash (especially liberal hogwash) that fills the papers and airwaves.

53 posted on 07/23/2002 3:48:41 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: rwfromkansas
However, I can't believe journalists (that scoff at paranormal stuff in the first place) would join in on a scam by taking this photo and sending it back to HQ

Wow... Wherever did you get such an amazingly high opinion of journalists?

54 posted on 07/23/2002 3:49:50 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: Dan Day
In this situation, based on info given about yogic flying, I agree they are not really levitating.

My initial attacks on the closed-minded doubters like yourself is due to extraordinary events attributed to people like Padre Pio which would not be the type to fake something like that.
55 posted on 07/23/2002 4:34:41 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Dan Day
I don't think they would sink this low, regardless of how bad they are in other areas.
56 posted on 07/23/2002 4:38:03 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
(and probably at the photographer for being "unprofessional" for taking such a photo).

You give these people way to much credit.

Do you recall the uproar of the boobs on the statue and John Ashcroft? The photogs were literally laying on the floor in a specific spot several feet in front of, and to the right of Ashcrofts podium. All to have that boob showing over the right shoulder of Ashcroft.

From reading the AP you would think that DOJ bought special drapes for the individual statues. All they did was buy temporary background drapes that they hang the seal off of. To that point they had been renting the drapes on a 'as needed' basis from a 'event management' firm.

And Reno was the first to rent the drapes after bored photogs started snapping the boob over her shoulder.

Bottom line, even AP photographers get bored doing normal shots. They will do anything to get that one special, unusual shot.

57 posted on 07/23/2002 5:49:00 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: OHelix
These Israelis have been reading the Book of Levitaticus.

Jumpin' Jehoshaphat!

58 posted on 07/23/2002 10:36:07 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson
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To: E Rocc
"..the more you toot, the better you feel.."
59 posted on 07/23/2002 11:54:01 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Alouette
"Reaching launch velocity!"
60 posted on 07/23/2002 11:55:01 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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