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CONSERVATIVES TURN ON ASHCROFT
Drudge Report ^ | 07/23/2002 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 07/23/2002 6:07:53 PM PDT by Pokey78

CONSERVATIVES TURN ON ASHCROFT
Tue Jul 23 2002 20:58:38 ET

Many religious conservatives who were instrumental in pressing President Bush to appoint John Ashcroft as attorney general -- now say they have become deeply troubled by his actions, the NEW YORK TIMES is planning to report in a blistering Page One spread on Wednesday.

"His religious base is now quite troubled by what he's done," Grover Norquist tells the TIMES's Neil Lewis.

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Several Bush advisers have begun complaining that Ashcroft has projected himself too often and too forcefully. More significantly, they say privately that he seems to be overstating the evidence of terrorist threats, the paper claims.

Conservtives cite Ashcroft's anti-terrorist positions as enhancing the kind of government power that they instinctively oppose.

Norquist: "If there hadn't been this big government problem, Ashcroft would have been talked about as the Bush successor. Instead, the talk is that 'too bad we pushed for him."'

Ashcroft was also criticized by some in the administration for declaring early on that the case of John Walker Lindh was a major terrorist case, the paper reports. Some officials in the Justice Department believed that the attorney general made needlessly harsh public comments about Lindh. The case came to an abrupt end last week, when Lindh pleaded guilty to two felonies and the department dropped the most severe terrorism-related charges against him, treating him as a far less important figure than depicted by the attorney general.

Developing...


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To: sinkspur
You must be a Yankee.

Better watch that attitude, boy, or I won't let you park your sorry pick-up in my backyard when you have to refugee out of Texas after the Great Chicano Uprising of `05....

61 posted on 07/23/2002 6:55:36 PM PDT by Arleigh
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To: maxwellp

Likewise, what do you think these people will find in a terrorists residence?

I think people have the notion that the cable guy will stroll in and see an amateur SAM site in their living room or something.

Plus, the whole thing is pretty subjective. If I do the credit card processing and arbitrarily decide that you buy too much gunpowder, do you deserve to have your door kicked in as a result of this?

The potential for abuse is huge and as it is now anyone with a complaint or a concern can call the police and take their whacks if it turns out to be a false report.

Plus, there is some concern about them databasing this information and profiling people based on pure speculation. If your house get's raided on one of these "tips" then do you know who squealed on you? Will your database entry be deleted or cleared? Or will it have a "well, we didn't get him this time" notation tossed in there somewhere? Will the mail carrier get mad and narc on you because you didn't give him a christmas gift? Or because you cut him off in traffic?

62 posted on 07/23/2002 6:55:43 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Pokey78
This is such a bunch of garbage. 'Blistering' - I see nothing in this that supports the 'All the Conservative Religious are against him.'
This sounds like such a hit job. I would be curious to see these 'religious' former-backers debate any judgement flaws he is perceived to have committed as immoral or ungodly or a reproach to his Christian testimony.
63 posted on 07/23/2002 6:55:53 PM PDT by time4good
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To: TJFLSTRAT
So when I'm making a delivery at the Port of Tampa, ans I see some middle eastern looking individuals hanging arounf the Ammonium Nitrate pipe lines, I should just keep my mouth shut...right?????

That seems to be the gist of it. I'm not in favor a massive government payroll of paid informers but I sure the hell ain't opposed to supplying a website and a telephone number to report guys 18-44, resembling the 20 guys who flew those planes, casing out the local nuclear plant.

64 posted on 07/23/2002 6:56:28 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: maxwellp
but you don't know exactly what THEY will be looking for.....you have nothing to hide?....what about your guns, where they are,,,,are they "proper" according to regulations you may never have heard of....etc. stc. etc.....you have nothing to hide?.....now,,, what about tomorrow?......get govt. off our back?....what ever happened to that one ON PRINCIPLE?....off our back and into the front door....what changes an airplane can make
65 posted on 07/23/2002 6:56:32 PM PDT by truefrankness
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To: maxwellp
Why do you have a problem? I'm asking seriously. And I'm also curious. Anyone that I invite into my home - an electrician, the UPS man, a plumber, etc. will find nothing to incriminate me or my family being terrorists.

I agree. Only those who have something to hide should be afraid of being searched at any time by marginally trained pseudo-police.

66 posted on 07/23/2002 6:56:48 PM PDT by Anchoragite
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To: Arleigh; RJCogburn
Rat on that pesty neighbor whose dog craps on your lawn. Make allegations against that creep your daughter's been seeing.

Yo, Arlo. You can do that NOW!

RJ, the list of FReepers who disagree with you is almost as long as the list of FReepers who disagree with me.

67 posted on 07/23/2002 6:56:48 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Pokey78
KOOKS TURN ON ASHCROFT!

developing...

68 posted on 07/23/2002 6:56:49 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Arleigh
prove it
69 posted on 07/23/2002 6:57:04 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Jhoffa_
When he was just clothing naked statues with taxpayer funds I thought Ashcroft was just an expensive flake.

I actually defended him when he was clothing naked statues. I wouldn't ncessarily want to be photographed in front of a naked statue either. This TIPS nonsense, is a different story. It has no place in America.

70 posted on 07/23/2002 6:58:09 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: sinkspur
RJ, the list of FReepers who disagree with you is almost as long as the list of FReepers who disagree with me.

Mine's bigger %^)

71 posted on 07/23/2002 6:59:02 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: southern rock
There has to be someone there to answer it, doesn't there? Your tax $$$ at work.

Do you actually think that a person sitting at the end of a phone line receiving tips fro American citizens about possible skells trying to kill other American citizens is a bad use of tax money?

72 posted on 07/23/2002 6:59:14 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: southern rock
I agree, I didn't think he should have had little loin cloths or whatever made for them with our money, but I can see why he did it.

He was embarrassed because some reporter got that shot of him with a big boob over his sholder.. So I didn't give him allot of grief over it at the time either.

73 posted on 07/23/2002 7:00:06 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: RJCogburn
RJ, could you provide me a link to the massive new government program so I can see for myself just what it entails?
74 posted on 07/23/2002 7:00:51 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Jhoffa_
If I do the credit card processing and arbitrarily decide that you buy too much gunpowder, do you deserve to have your door kicked in as a result of this?

If I do the credit card processing, I can turn you in for gunpowder purchases NOW.

The hysteria on this site over what amounts to a Neighborhood Watch program is, well, hysterical.

75 posted on 07/23/2002 7:01:48 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: jwalsh07
Do you actually think that a person sitting at the end of a phone line receiving tips fro American citizens about possible skells trying to kill other American citizens is a bad use of tax money?

Yes. It is not a legitimate federal power.

76 posted on 07/23/2002 7:01:52 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: maxwellp
Anyone that I invite into my home - an electrician, the UPS man, a plumber, etc. will find nothing to incriminate me or my family being terrorists.

Consider the Clinton's having the power of Operation TIPS.

Consider that once you open your door for snoopy repairmen over terrorism, will it necessarily end there?

Just because you have nothing to hide... does that mean that someone might not mention that you had a copy of the Koran (for research) and the latest issue of Guns and Ammo on your end table?

And consider this... raw, unvetted FBI files.




77 posted on 07/23/2002 7:02:30 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: sinkspur
The hysteria on this site over what amounts to a Neighborhood Watch program is, well, hysterical.

Please show me, where in the constitution, the federal government is granted the power to run a federal neighborhood watch program.

78 posted on 07/23/2002 7:04:13 PM PDT by southern rock
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To: jwalsh07
Seriously?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/717694/posts

79 posted on 07/23/2002 7:04:16 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: TC Rider
BTW, did you know we're at war? Did you know there are thousands of terrorists in America? Do you know where they'll strike next?

So many here on this forum seem to forget this

80 posted on 07/23/2002 7:04:20 PM PDT by Kaslin
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