Pius the hero

The Spectator. ^ | 7/20/02 | John Laughland

[Valin]

but he continues to trot out the same old tired stuff, hoping to catch someone new to his swill unawares.

I suppose evryone has to have a hobby. :-)

[LarryLied]

Catholic Heros of the Holocaust

Nazi Policy and the Catholic Church

Berned, do you know who Mussolini's finance minister was? Who edited his fascist paper? The Italian senators who formed his inner circle? Mussolini's biggest supporter in the USA?

[berned]

Sinkspur is one of the better known catholic agitators on this forum who has been shown to be biblicaly and historically incorrect by berned and many, many others. Sinkspur regards any historical fact that shows the Catholic Church to be in the wrong on ANY issue, as a "lie".

Pius's concordat with Hitler and his letter to President Roosevelt urging the opposition to an Israeli state are historical facts. In keeping with the highest standards of conduct on FreeRepublic, I published a link to the letter, so that all may read it. But to liars like Sinkspur, historical documentation has no validity. Only blind allegience to the church of Rome has validity to him.

So he slanders (like a media liberal) anyone who points out the unpleasant historical facts that put the lie to his belief system.

[Campion]

No amount of spin will ever overcome the historical damnation of Pius the twelfth.

No amount of truth will ever overcome the hatred which pollutes your heart.

[Campion]

I don't know what your beef with the Vatican is berned

Berned thinks anti-Semitism is bad bigotry, and anti-Catholicism is good bigotry. He defends this by claiming that the Church has murdered "millions" (which is a flat lie) and by citing his personal brand of Catholic-hating exegesis of Revelation. Anything you cite which contradicts his "all evil emanates from Rome" worldview will be dismissed: facts must not be allowed to get in the way.

[Campion]

Pius's concordat with Hitler and his letter to President Roosevelt urging the opposition to an Israeli state are historical facts.

Please cite the Scripture verses which make it sin to advise against supporting the foundation of a "Jewish" secular state by atheistic socialists, which most of the original Zionists were. Those verses aren't in my Bible.

Of course, they probably aren't in the Jewish bible, either, since Golda Meir, Pinchas Lapide, and the Israeli Philharmonic seemed not to know about them.

[berned]

No amount of truth will ever overcome the hatred which pollutes your heart.

It is true, that I hate evil.

In all my posts, never once, EVER, do I say anything against Jesus Christ, The Holy Spirit, God the Father, The Bible or Christians. Onle the chruch of Rome.

The fact is, way down deep at the core, that people like Campion and Sinkspur, and Valin and others, count on their membership in the Roman Catholic Church for their Salvation. NOT Jesus. They will howl with protest at these words, and they pay lip service to Christ, but at the bottom line, they regard participation in the Catholic Church as their ticket to heaven, and any suggestion that Catholicicm may be a false religion, generates intense hatred from them.

I understand this. Feel free to hate me and slander me now. But the day may come, in the not too distant future, when events in the RCC may make my words come back to your ears in a new light.

[bourbon]

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[fporretto]

A man's motives are easily known from his words and deeds -- and even more easily known from his distortions and lies.

The Concordat of 1933 was essentially a promise: 1) by the Reich to respect the freedom of Catholics in Germany to practice their religion; 2) by the Church to remain out of German politics.

Cardinal Pacelli had no choice but to negotiate the Concordat. He was under instructions from the Pope, as an emissary of the Vatican, to reach an agreement with Hitler that would protect German Catholics, the overwhelming majority of whom opposed Hitler, from Hitler's vengeance. Moreover, the Catholic bishops of Germany pressed Pacelli for a speedy agreement, out of fear for their flocks. Pacelli himself told the British Minister to the Holy See that while he expected Hitler to violate some of the Concordat’s provisions, he probably would not violate all of them at the same time.

You are under no obligation to like, or respect, the Catholic Church or any of its clergy or adherents. But your slanders against a great and gentle man of faith who displayed the utmost courage and compassion, under conditions that would have made you soil yourself, are incomprehensible, unless motivated by pure, venomous hatred. They will be held against you by everyone who remembers them -- in this world and the next.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
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[berned]

When Pius inexplicably opposed the creation of the state of Israel, what was behind THAT decision? What business was it of HIS to stick his nose in the affairs of the Jewish people and try to deny them their God-given homeland, whcih they all wanted, and flocked from all over the world to Israel to begin their new lives?

I have heard many catholic spin doctors say: "Pius was trying to protect the Jews from arab persecution". The why does the Vatican today side with Arafat and the palestinians AGAINST Israel? (ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS the vatican is AGAINST the Jews time after time after time, from the Inquisition to todays headlines -- WHY????)

But here is a far more important question for you... before Pius voluntarily CHOSE to write the letter to Roosevelt urging against the creation of Israel, did Pius pray to God for God's Will regarding Israel before composing that letter? Did God ADVISE Pius to oppose Israel? If so, did God then double-cross Pius when Israel was reborn?? Was God wrong? Was God "outsmarted" by mere human Zionists?

If Pius did NOT pray to God for guidance before he opposed the re-creation of the Biblical state of Israel, then by what gargantuan stretch of the imagination do you regard Pius as "a man of God"?????

[Valin]

The fact is, way down deep at the core, that people like Campion and Sinkspur, and Valin and others, count on their membership in the Roman Catholic Church for their Salvation. NOT Jesus.

Lets see, how can I put this so that you can understand....WRONG...WRONG...WRONG!!!!
While I would never speak for the others you mentioned but I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. While I was raised in the Catholic Church I left it decades ago. But I will always have fond memories of the selfless nuns and priests who helped make me the man I am today.

Question, what are you going to do whrn you get to heaven and find the place simply crawling with Catholics?

You must remember that for about 1,000 years the church of Rome was the only game in town if you lived in the west.

[berned]

Question, what are you going to do whrn you get to heaven and find the place simply crawling with Catholics?

You must remember that for about 1,000 years the church of Rome was the only game in town if you lived in the west.

You are quite RIGHT on both counts! I am aware that many many Catholics are saved and will go to heaven. Also, your second point is quite correct.

I oppose the VATICAN, not the folks who ascribe to their religion.

My posts here have a purpose. I believe that after JPII dies the next pope(s) will be more and more apostate, introducing more and more ecumenical heresy, eventually making the catholic church into the one-world religion I believe (from Revelation) is coming. I believe a future pope will be the False Prophet of Revelation. (Remember, it will be the False Prophet, NOT the antichrist, who requires all people of the earth to get the mark of the beast to buy and sell).

Anyway, I believe the Vatican's relentless war against Israel has a hidden agenda which is not of this world. I oppose the Vatican, and always will. I believe someday, my words on these threads may be remembered by the Catholic Freepers who hate me now in a way that will be beneficial to them (and maybe even to some who lurk on these threads.)

Thanks for your note.

[ELS]

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