Austria Formally Declares War on Servia; Russia Moving Troops; Peace of Europe In Kaiser's Hands

NewYorkTimes ^ | July 28, 1914 | Special Cable

[DestroyEraseImprove]

Hi,

what about 1878 and 1908!!!

[DestroyEraseImprove]

The comparison to Pallies is a bit extreme but there were a lot of terrorist in Serbia.

Are you talking about Serbia and the serbian serb 'terrorists' or are you talking about the bosnian serb 'terrorists', or should I say freedomfighters!

[Restorer]

If Russia hadn't interfered Austria would have moved in and killed a bunch of terrorist then left.

Not necessarily. The Austrians didn't have a lot of luck against the Serbians when the war did get going. If I remember correctly, they had to be rescued by their big brothers the Germans, just as they did against the Italians.

Actually, A-H performance in WWI was remarkably similar to the Italian performance in WWII.

[weikel]

Im not talking about the recent Kosovo conflict Im talking about the Balkan situation under the Austrian Empire here.

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Im not talking about the recent Kosovo conflict Im talking about the Balkan situation under the Austrian Empire here.

Hahaha, that was a good one!

By the way, I'm talking about 1914, too!

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Let's do not get into deep with this freedomfighter-stuff. My comment was meant to be a little bit ironic. Fact is, he was shot by serbs on serbian soil on one of the most sacred serbian holidays. I still can't grasp his motivation to come to
Sarajevo on that day. He could have stayed in Vienna, or not? Why did he ask for it, for god's sake?

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I'm talking about the Berlin Congress, the 30 years of austrian administration, the annexation 1908 and the humiliation 1914 that ended on the 28th of July 1914.

[crazykatz]

So many people forget...that Princip was not the only person on the mission....there was also a muslim bosnian involved.

[crazykatz]

weikel is a wanker!!

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I think Gavriloviv was one!?

Bit I'm not sure.

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Sounds like a Sudeten-German to me! I mean his name.

[crazykatz]

I found this information awhile ago on a favorite web site: WWW.WorldWar1.com

I highly recommend it to those who are interested in the period.

The group of seven ranged in age from 19 to 27. Only one had a police record which was only for striking a teacher. They were all members of the secret Serbian nationalist movement Mlada Bosna ("Young Bosnia"). All had tuberculosis, a death sentence in 1914.

Nedjelko Cabrinovic
Vasco Cubrilovic
Trifko Grabez
Danilo Ilic
Mohammed Mehmed Basic
Cvijetko Popovic
Gavrilo Princip

Their training and arms came from Belgrade's "Union or Death" terrorist league. This faction of the Serbian "Black Hand" was under the leadership of a "Colonel Apis" (the bee), whose real identity was Colonel Dragutin Dimitrievitch, no less than the head of Serbian military intelligence.

The assassins returned to Sarajevo on Jun-3 with pistols, bombs and cyanide to await the visit of the Archduke.

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You know what's funny?

I went to school in Germany, and in the the 6th or 7th grade we had history class about WWI. That was about 1987 and I will never forget this GERMAN history book. The composition of the population in Bosnia was, according to this GERMAN book, serbs,croats and "mohamedanische Serben"!

But that was the good old 80's! Nowadays it's not like that anymore. I came to the conclusion that german history sience is not very consistent.....

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

The NYT was as medacious in 1914 as it is now.

If anything more so. The Times in 1914 was rabidly Anglophile and distinctly racist in tone. It probably picked up these self-righteous habits denigrating the Confederacy.

[Banat]

What the hell are you talking about? Terrorists? We had the right to take them bastards out whenever we pleased. Austria had no business being south of the Drava. The Imperial occupation had to end one way or another.

[Banat]

What? Croats actually rebelled against foreign okupator? That's a new one!

[Banat]

Their training and arms came from Belgrade's "Union or Death" terrorist league. This faction of the Serbian "Black Hand" was under the leadership of a "Colonel Apis" (the bee), whose real identity was Colonel Dragutin Dimitrievitch, no less than the head of Serbian military intelligence.

1. Union or Death? It was a freaking motto, not a "terrorist league" (geez!!!).

2. Apis means wasp, not bee. It's an obsolete term nowadays.

3. Col. Dimitrievich is my idol! LOL! :-))))

[crazykatz]

He was a nice looking man.

I like the site because it has a pretty good timeline of the events. I think you should let them know about their errors. They are very interested in that era and always looking for new information.