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Roman villas found under playing field
The London Telegraph ^ | August 18, 2002 | Catherine Milner

Posted on 08/17/2002 10:13:48 PM PDT by LostTribe

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To: blam
There are ancient tin mines throughout SW England and they are surrounded by lore and legend. Most appear very small by modern mining standards. It was a major story when one, perhaps the last operating one, closed a few years ago. If they were doing a big business at the time of Jesus, they must have been operating before then.

One of the most deep seated local legends is that Jesus was a nephew of Joseph of Arimethia. Joseph, presumed to be a brother of Mary, did own a major shipping fleet hauling tin to Palestine. Jesus supposedly sailed with his Uncle and visited the SW of England. I have seen stained glass windows in very old churchs in the area showing Jesus and Joseph in a boat, landing there. There are also songs or "chantys" sung by miners which recall those events.

There is no Biblical support for this legend that I am aware of, but we now know there were no technical reasons it could not have occured, and there is no Biblical indication that Jesus was engaged in carpentry (or anything else) for ~20 years after the age of 12.

21 posted on 08/18/2002 7:58:51 AM PDT by LostTribe
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To: Publius
>There are legends in British lore that Joseph of Arimithea spent his last days at the Roman garrison at what is now Glastonbury and died in Britain. Wonder if there is any truth to the old stories?

These legends are certainly deeply ingrained in English history. Glastonbury is a fascinating place to visit.

22 posted on 08/18/2002 8:02:47 AM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
I think you are familiar with this area, huh?

Ancient Ax Found In Harstad

23 posted on 08/18/2002 8:58:16 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
>Trondenes Peninsula in northern Norway found a bronze axe

Sorry, I haven't been quite that far north in Norway.

24 posted on 08/18/2002 9:03:02 AM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
You would thinnk that some record of Jesus' travels would exist somewhere.

25 posted on 08/18/2002 10:27:20 AM PDT by William Terrell
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>You would think that some record of Jesus' travels would exist somewhere.

You would think so. Who knows what all is buried in the Vatican Library, for instance?

The great library at Alexandria burned before Christ so would have been no help, but who knows what records it held of the Lost Tribes of Israel. Over 400,000 documents were lost. Here is one account:

It is often said that the Romans were civilised [ED: Especially BY the Romans, who wrote the history. The Christians were not asked for their opinion.] but their most famous general was responsible for the greatest act of vandalism during antiquity. Julius Caesar was attacking Alexandria in pursuit of his archrival Pompey when he found himself about to be cut off by the Egyptian fleet. Realising that this would leave him in a desperate predicament, he took decisive action and sent fire ships into the harbour. His plan was a success and the enemy fleet was quickly aflame. But the fire did not stop these and jumped onto the dockside which was laden with flammable materials ready for export. Next it spread in land and before anyone could stop it, the Great Library itself was blazing brightly as 400,000 priceless scrolls were reduced to ashes. As for Caesar himself, did not think it important enough to mention in his memoirs. The accused was indeed in Alexandria in 47 - 48 BC after arriving in pursuit of his rival Pompey.

26 posted on 08/18/2002 10:45:14 AM PDT by LostTribe
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To: goody2shooz
For example, the wife of Claudius Ceasar was executed on his order

You're right about Messalina. But beheading is very rare. If a Roman committed suicide, his/her hand was cut off for separate burial. I have never heard about beheading in association with suicide. And a beheading on a teenage boy seems very strange to me.

27 posted on 08/18/2002 10:56:24 AM PDT by Utopia
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To: Cultural Jihad; LostTribe
Thanks for the story & the pics.
28 posted on 08/18/2002 11:08:17 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: LostTribe
Somehow I sense God's hand in that.

29 posted on 08/18/2002 11:15:51 AM PDT by William Terrell
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>Somehow I sense God's hand in that.

Yep. As in, the time was not yet right for them to be "found". (They had only been lost 700 years.)

30 posted on 08/18/2002 11:32:02 AM PDT by LostTribe
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To: William Terrell
>You would think that some record of Jesus' travels would exist somewhere.

Maybe some records from Caesarea Maritima, built by Emperor Hadrian to impress Rome, will show something. This was the biggest baddest harbor on the coast, probably second only to Rome in the Med. at the time of Jesus. Joseph of Arimethia had to have a big presence here if he was as big a shipowner and carrier for the Roman Empire as believed.

As a member of the Sanhedrin he was probably President of the local Rotary Club, which would mean he knew everyone who was anyone. That may be how he had the clout to take possession of Jesus body and give him his private tomb.

31 posted on 08/18/2002 11:42:17 AM PDT by LostTribe
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To: Ditter
>Thanks for the story & the pics.

You're welcome! Have you been to the area, or interested in Olde England?

32 posted on 08/18/2002 11:52:22 AM PDT by LostTribe
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To: William Terrell
Another view of Caesarea Maritima. (I drove past here years ago, but was too busy chasing you-know-who to stop and explore it.)


33 posted on 08/18/2002 12:04:28 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
I haven't been to that part of England since 1960 & I am facinated with ancient sites anywhere in the world.
34 posted on 08/18/2002 12:23:42 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: LostTribe
Sounds like the opening for a summer movie.

The skeletal remains of the young Roman teenager are taken to Okford for further examination. One of the professors, after examining the skull places back on the examinating table. However, he has placed it between the shoulder blades. Ought oh!

The proefessor goes into an office and begins to write in his journal and......

The title: "Strega" {Witch!}

This can be a doozy! Who want's to produce it.

35 posted on 08/18/2002 1:31:21 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: blam
I wonder what all those Vikings were doing living in far Northern Norway at that time?  Maybe there was so much "Global Warming" it was too warm to live in the south? {GGG}.

This was an important area during WW2 since the Nazis needed that good Swedish iron ore from just over the Norgwegian border to keep building tanks and ships.  They shipped the ore by rail from Sweden over the mountains to the nearby Norse port of Narvik. (A major reason the Nazis siezed Norway early in the war.)  Narvik is still a tourist attraction today.


               Trondenes was an important centre of power in the Viking and
               Medieval Ages. According to the sagas, the renowned chieftain's
               family on the island of Bjarkøy, and on the peninsula of Trondenes
               on Hinnøy Island, sacrificed to Norse gods and held great feasts
               here. They ruled over an entire kingdom in the districts of
               Southern Troms and Vesterålen.

               Trondenes played an important part during the Christianization of
               Northern Norway. The local chieftains had to be pacified before
               the kings could unify the country and bloody battles were fought.
               The largest stone church north of Trondheim was erected at
               Trondenes after the chieftains had lost the battle against the
               unification of Norway. Trondenes Church remains the most forceful
               symbol of the Christianization of Northern Norway. The church
               became a bastion against Russia. Parts of the wall which were to
               protect against attacks from Russians and Karelians can still be
               seen.
 Guess any of these guys could have left a battle axe behind!

36 posted on 08/18/2002 1:45:55 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: Young Werther
>This can be a doozy! Who want's to produce it.

Sounds like a winner to me. Much more has been made with much less in Hollyweird.

37 posted on 08/18/2002 1:51:17 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
I didn't get the information in the article that it was a "summer house"--you know, England was a part of the Roman Empire in the 4th century--they could have been permanent immigrants.
38 posted on 08/18/2002 1:57:54 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason
>I didn't get the information in the article that it was a "summer house"--you know, England was a part of the Roman Empire in the 4th century--they could have been permanent immigrants.

Sure, they could be permanent immigrants, (or undocumented aliens!) I was generalizing the on the idea that travel was not at all impossible, either then, or hundreds of years earlier. The Romans moved large quantities of troops back and forth, and the community of Bath was definitely a Roman tourist venue.

39 posted on 08/18/2002 2:02:16 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: LostTribe
a late Roman burial rite

Standard procedure for vampires.

40 posted on 08/18/2002 2:05:22 PM PDT by RightWhale
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