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America will brush aside our concerns and attack Saddam in the spring
The Independent ^ | 10 August 2002 | Fergal Keane

Posted on 08/20/2002 4:32:29 PM PDT by vannrox

America will brush aside our concerns and attack Saddam in the spring



The problem for us all is the hatred we cannot see, which feeds on the growing sense of humiliation in the Arab world

Fergal Keane

10 August 2002 Internal links Iraq attack unjustified, says Bush ally Fergal Keane: America will brush aside our concerns and attack Saddam in the spring All week the argument has raged, so I offer not opinion but instead some predictions. Always a risk, I know, but here's the first prediction. By this time next year a war will have been fought in Iraq, and, barring an extraordinary upset, we will be speaking of Saddam Hussein in the past tense. Hardly a radical forecast you might say, but in a week that saw opposition to war strengthen here in Britain and across Europe, it might be tempting to believe that President Bush has been given food for thought, that he might be re-thinking his strategy of toppling Saddam.

Such hope, however, is not founded on prevailing realities. It reflects a disconnection from the new global politics. We have entered the era of the American imperium in which the logic of the Monroe doctrine (by which the US justified intervention in Latin America at the turn of the last century) has been extended to embrace the globe. One of the most important messages of the aftermath of 11 September is that the world is now America's backyard. That is why we see US special forces operating in theatres as far apart as the Phillipines and the Caucusus. For the architects of the new foreign policy, a regime change in Iraq is not merely desirable but essential.

One of Mr Bush's most prominent advisers made it clear in a newspaper article yesterday. The US would go it alone and attack Iraq even if Britain or other allies demurred. America will do it because it can and because President Bush and the Washington "hawks" upon whom he increasingly depends for strategic guidance want to do it.

So no surprise that the author of the article, Richard Perle, dismisses much of the opposition to the war as "the feckless moralising of 'peace' lobbies or the unsolicited advice of retired generals".

He summons up the ghost of Munich and implicitly accuses the war's opponents of appeasement and likens Saddam Hussein to Hitler; one must ask if he remembers that similar language was employed in the run-up to the disastrous invasion at Suez more than four decades ago. Then Nasser was compared to Hitler though few in Britain – and nobody in Washington – really believed it.

But comparisons with Suez only go so far. The attack on Nasser was the last squeak of a dying imperial order. Britain and France, aided by Israel, set out to impose their will much in the same way that General Gordon had been dispatched to deal with the Mahdi or the Foreign Legion to quell the restive tribes of North Africa. Today the enforcer is not some enfeebled imperial power but the world's only superpower; where President Eisenhower was able to halt the Suez operation with a few phone calls, the people who oppose the war in Iraq have no such leverage, though we might see cabinet resignations, perhaps even the unprecedented spectacle of large numbers of the British public protesting about a war far from their shores.

So if a war is going to happen, how will it be fought and when?

Again a prediction: the war will be launched early in the spring using massive airpower and special forces.

It will not be an attack involving a vast army, but neither will be it confined to raiding parties of American Delta Force and the SAS. Talk of force deployments in the region of 70,000 to 150,000 is probably closer to the mark than the figure of a quarter of a million quoted recently. One ex-soldier who fought in the last Gulf War told me he believes the Americans are convinced they can repeat the strategy used in Afghanistan and will rely heavily on Kurdish, Shia and Iraqi exile groups to do the dying when it comes to fighting in the Iraqi cities.

And it is here we enter the great unknown. Will America attack? Yes. Will it get rid of Saddam? Yes. But how many people will die in the process and what will the effects of all of this be in the Middle East? And for what reason?

We know from experience that the air campaign that precedes any ground offensive will claim civilian lives. There is also the fact that the Iraqi army has nowhere to run. Memories of the Gulf War slaughter of Mutla Ridge will be fresh in the minds of the armoured commanders, and the infantry will be cut off in virtually all directions. A retreat into Iran or the Kurdish populated north is out of the question, so too any rush south towards Kuwait. That leaves Jordan and Saudi Arabia, neither of which will want to see an influx of fleeing Iraqi divisions. So the option is to surrender or to die.

While many of the conscripts will doubtless choose the former option, there is no such certainty about the Republican Guard, not to mention the danger that Saddam will launch at least some weapons of mass destruction in the direction of Israel or at advancing allied forces. That is, provided he actually has these weapons.

The Americans clearly hope that he will be dead – a victim of an assassin's bullet or a precision bomb -– before that moment arises. But it is an optimistic calculation that leaves room for catastrophic upset.

At the moment there is no clear contender to replace Saddam, though American officials will point out that a similar uncertainty prevailed in Afghanistan prior to the toppling of the Taliban. But Afghanistan does not present the wisest map for the latter day king-makers in the White House. Beset by internal rivalries, the government of Hamid Karzai is in a precarious position and the gunmen of al-Qa'ida and the Taliban are far from vanquished – witness the attack that took place in Kabul's suburbs this week. There are some respects in which creating a new government in Afghanistan may have been easier, simply because of the proliferation of factions. None had the individual power to confront America and there was never going to be any chance they would come together as allies.

Mr Bush has been told he runs the risk of creating massive instability in a region already seething with resentment, and in some countries outright hatred, of the US. The risk to the regimes in Saudi Arabia and Jordan is clear. The toppling of an Arab government by a foreign power on their doorsteps will leave the Saudis and others looking impotent in the eyes of their increasingly radicalised populations. It may be that such predictions are overly gloomy, that we will see a short war with few civilian casualties and the replacement of Saddam with a democratic head of state.

The Arab world will protest and burn flags but nothing much else will happen, though many senior foreign policy experts on this side of the Atlantic seem to doubt that.

The greatest danger lies in the rapid growth of anti- Western feeling in the Middle East; forces like al-Qa'ida which thrive on resentment of America will strengthen in the event of war. Some American policymakers acknowledge this but believe the risk is worth taking in order to destroy Saddam.

The problem for all of us is the hatred we cannot see, which feeds on the rising sense of humiliation in the Arab world and is already recruiting its next generation of killers. The embodiment of that hatred, al-Qa'ida, is waiting for its chance. The challenge is to construct a political way forward that neutralises the hatred without compromising our security. Politics is the key, but it demands time and attention and no end of patience.

The writer is a BBC Special Correspondent



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 0nukeemtilltheyglow; 1andshooteminthedark; 911; airplane; binladen; bomb; explosion; iran; iraq; taliban; uk; war; wtc
A view from the UK.
1 posted on 08/20/2002 4:32:29 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
forces like al-Qa'ida which thrive on resentment of America will strengthen in the event of war

The more power they lose as the war goes badly for them, the more they will resent it.

2 posted on 08/20/2002 4:34:12 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
I guess that means we gotta eliminate all of 'em.
3 posted on 08/20/2002 4:36:51 PM PDT by marvlus
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To: vannrox
Oh, so now it's next Spring? Give me a break. How about Summer of 2006? Maybe by Saddam's 80th birthday? I am SICK of the incessant spin and speculation of the entire global media. President Bush hasn't announced jack.
4 posted on 08/20/2002 4:37:58 PM PDT by SunStar
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To: vannrox
The challenge is to construct a political way forward that neutralises the hatred without compromising our security. Politics is the key, but it demands time and attention and no end of patience.

Oh yeah,let's beg Saddam and all of the Islamists not to be mean. That'll work. < /sarcasm >

5 posted on 08/20/2002 4:43:13 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: SunStar
If this has not happened by Feb 28, it isn't going to, and I would very much doubt it is put off into 2003 at all.

Personally my date expected is September 2/3, that night. This, of course, is only 2 weeks away.

6 posted on 08/20/2002 4:44:02 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: vannrox
In the spring?

Where has this guy been? The war has already started, they just haven't noticed yet.

A war to them is massive air strikes and troops on the ground. That will happen, when the time is right, but the war HAS started!!
7 posted on 08/20/2002 4:45:11 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: vannrox
This is a barren landscape of feckless handwringing and depressive speculation.

It arises from a culture which rewarded Irish terrorism and disarmed its own citizens; is surrendering its sovereignty to eurosocialism and the jungle lawlessness of unbridled immigration.

UK military fighters are second to none, and some of FR's most bracing posters.

The limpwristed doomsayers of the UK press, however, are insufferable.

Wot a bleat: America will brush aside our concerns and attack Saddam in the spring.

It wasn't Big Ben or 10 Downing or Windsor Castle that collapsed in an inferno of Jet-A taking the spirits of three thousand innocents.

8 posted on 08/20/2002 4:47:13 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: vannrox
The world was better when Britain was great. It is now puny, with puny leadership, and now only its pensioners can dream of better times.
9 posted on 08/20/2002 4:48:05 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: vannrox
America will brush aside our concerns and attack Saddam in the spring

Why would we give two whits about "your concerns"?

Sit down, shut up, and let America save the damn world (again), you worthless git.

(LOL, did I use "git" correctly?)

10 posted on 08/20/2002 4:51:24 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: vannrox
Mr Bush has been told he runs the risk of creating massive instability in a region already seething with resentment, and in some countries outright hatred, of the US.

They all hate us anyhow...
So let's drop the big one now,
Let's drop...the big one...now

11 posted on 08/20/2002 4:51:39 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: vannrox
The challenge is to construct a political way forward that neutralises the hatred without compromising our security. Politics is the key, but it demands time and attention and no end of patience.

While the Brits play politics, our people are dying and continue to be a target.

Its the same in Israel, everybody is talking about a political solution, while the Israeli people are dying on buses and in dance halls.

Political discourse only works with a civilized people who seek a political resolution. It'll never work with people who just want to see you dead.

12 posted on 08/20/2002 4:52:06 PM PDT by tonyinv
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To: crystalk
Personally my date expected is September 2/3, that night. This, of course, is only 2 weeks away.

I'll bet 9/5-6 myself, that's the next new moon and our troops operate in total darkness FAR better than Iraqi soldiers.

Moon Phase Calender if you are interested.

13 posted on 08/20/2002 5:10:32 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: vannrox
the war will be launched early in the spring

D-Day for the liberation of Iraq is September 11, 2002.

14 posted on 08/20/2002 5:21:16 PM PDT by Argus
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To: vannrox
Well, they all hate us anyway, even without a real reason. Why not give them a reason to hate us. It'll make us all feel better.
15 posted on 08/20/2002 5:21:26 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: Teacher317
How the British maximize crime
Paul Craig Roberts

Did you know that a person's chances of being mugged in London are 6 times higher than in New York City? Did you know that assault, robbery and burglary rates are far higher in England than in the U.S.?
Did you know that in England self-defense of person or property is regarded as an antisocial act, and that a victim who injures or kills an assailant is likely to be treated with more severity than the assailant?
Joyce Lee Malcolm blames the rocketing rates of violent and armed crimes in England on "government policies that have gone badly wrong." Her careful research in "Guns and Violence: The English Experience," just released by Harvard University Press, leads to this conclusion: "Government created a hapless, passive citizenry, then took upon itself the impossible task of protecting it. Its failure could not be more flagrant."
Professor Malcolm begins her study of English crime rates, weapons ownership, and attitudes toward self-defense in the Middle Ages. She continues the story through the Tudor-Stuart centuries, the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. She finds that five centuries of growing civility, low crime rates and declining firearm homicide rates ended in the 20th century.
Professor Malcolm shows that an unprotected public at the mercy of criminals is the result of (1) the 1967 revision of criminal law, which altered the common law standard for self-defense and began the process of criminalizing self-defense, and (2) increasing restrictions on handguns and other firearms, culminating in the 1997 ban of handgun ownership (and most other firearms).
In England the penalty for possessing a handgun is 10 years in prison. The result is the one predicted by the National Rifle Association: "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns." During the two years following the 1997 handgun ban, the use of handguns in crime rose by 40 percent. During seven months of 2001, armed robberies in London rose 53 percent.
These shocking crime rates are understatements, because "the English police still grossly underreport crimes. The 1998 British Crime Survey found 4 times as many crimes occurred as police records indicated."
A disarmed public now faces outlaws armed with machine-guns. People in London residential neighborhoods have been machine-gunned to death. Gunmen have even burst into court and freed defendants.
The British government forbids citizens to carry any article that might be used for self-defense. Even knitting needles and walking sticks have been judged to be "offensive weapons." In 1994, an English homeowner
used a toy gun to detain two burglars who had broken into his home. The police arrested the homeowner for using an imitation gun to threaten and intimidate.
A British Petroleum executive was wounded in an assault on his life in a London Underground train carriage. In desperation, he fought off his attackers by using an ornamental sword blade in his walking stick. He was tried and convicted of carrying an offensive weapon.
A youth fearful of being attacked by a gang was arrested for carrying a cycle chain. After police disarmed him, he was set upon and hospitalized as a result of a brutal beating. The prosecutor nevertheless insisted on prosecuting the victim for "carrying a weapon."
Seventy percent of rural villages in Britain entirely lack police presence. But self-defense must be "reasonable," as determined after the fact by a prosecutor. What is reasonable to a victim being attacked or confronted with home intruders at night can be quite different from how a prosecutor sees it. A woman who uses a weapon to fight off an unarmed rapist could be convicted of using unreasonable force.
In 1999 Tony Martin, a farmer, turned his shotgun on two professional thieves when they broke into his home at night to rob him a seventh time. Mr. Martin received a life sentence for killing one criminal, 10 years for wounding the second, and 12 months for having an illegal shotgun. The wounded burglar is already released from prison.
American prosecutors now follow British ones in restricting self-defense to reasonable force as defined by prosecutors. Be forewarned that Americans can no longer use deadly force against home intruders unless the intruder is also armed and the homeowner can establish that he could not hide from the intruder and had reason to believe his life was in danger.
The assault on England's version of the Second Amendment was conducted by unsavory characters in the British Home Office. Long before guns were banned, the Home Office secretly instructed the police not to issue licenses for weapons intended to protect home and property.
In the British welfare state, crimes against property are not taken seriously. Professor Malcolm reports that criminals face minimal chances of arrest and punishment, but a person who uses force to defend himself or his property is in serious trouble with the law. A recent British law textbook says that the right to self-defense is so mitigated "as to cast doubt on whether it still forms part of the law."
An Englishman's home is no longer his castle. Thanks to gun control zealots, England has become the land of choice for criminals.Paul Craig
Roberts is a nationally syndicated columnist.
16 posted on 08/20/2002 5:36:30 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: vannrox
Again, analysis by the barstool. What is this fascination about "the fighting in the cities?"

Does this child really think we will go
chasing snipers through the alleys of Baghdad, while leaving Saddam's CBR capabilities out
there for him to use?

Just ask yourself: why on earth would we do that? PTUI. Reporters whose strategic thinking was crafted on the latest Nintendo game.

17 posted on 08/20/2002 10:13:11 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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So no surprise that the author of the article, Richard Perle, dismisses much of the opposition to the war as "the feckless moralising of 'peace' lobbies or the unsolicited advice of retired generals".

I don't know why Perle ridicules the unsolicited advice of retired generals. Presumably they know what they're talking about and because they're retired they can freely speak their minds without fear of retaliation. Perle doesn't have to listen to his retired generals. But only a very foolish (or arrogant) man would dismiss them out of hand.

18 posted on 08/20/2002 11:03:33 PM PDT by DentsRun
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