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(N.C.): Flag patches on guard's uniform violates state policy
Durham Herald-Sun (Durham, NC) ^ | August 28, 2002 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/28/2002 6:22:07 AM PDT by Constitution Day



Flag patches on guard's uniform violates state policy

The Associated Press
August 28, 2002   1:57 am

ASHEBORO, N.C. -- A prison guard says he was fired after he had United States and North Carolina flags sewn onto his light blue uniform shirt and refused to remove them.

Hayes was fired last month as a corrections officer at the Randolph Correctional Center in Asheboro. He had been told to remove the patches from his state-issued uniform or turn it in.

"I'm a good officer -- or I was," said Hayes, who lives in Ramseur and worked for the state Department of Correction for two years. "Sometimes there are orders that should not be given -- and that's one of them."

Hayes said he was told he was being fired for insubordination.

"They told me it might open the door for someone who might want to wear a neo-Nazi emblem," Hayes said.

Randolph Correctional Center Superintendent Clinton Holt declined to comment on Hayes' description of events, saying it was a personnel issue. Holt did say the corrections department has a month-old appearance and grooming policy that dictates everything from jewelry to shoe colors -- "leaving little ... to individual expression," the policy states.

"If you let each individual express their own preferences on their uniform it's no telling what you'll have," Holt said. "Uniform means everything is the same. We're representing the state and someone has made the decision that this is how we'll look."

But the flag distinguishes itself from all other arguments, Hayes said.

"There's no other symbol that comes to representing what our society is based on -- the Constitution and those flags. When I turned my uniforms in, I still didn't take them off."

The flag isn't being slighted, correction officials said.

"This is not a matter of patriotism as it is a matter taken to maintain good order and discipline," said correction department spokesman Keith Acree said. "If he wanted to make a suggestion he should have gone through the chain of command and not just slap a patch on there."

Hayes said he has appealed the firing. He said that others who have heard of his plight have urged him to start a petition to require those flags on state uniforms.

Hayes has written and called government leaders including U.S. Sen. Jesse Helms, R-N.C., U.S. Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., and Gov. Mike Easley to ask for their intervention.

He said he will never forget being told to take off the flags.

"It reminded me of getting off the airplane in California, when I came home from Vietnam," Hayes said. "I got spit on for just doing my job."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: northcarolina; oldnorthstate; unhelpful
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"They told me it might open the door for someone who might want to wear a neo-Nazi emblem," Hayes said.

Dollars to donuts the so-called "neo-Nazi" emblem the DoC functionary was referring to is the Confederate battle flag.

1 posted on 08/28/2002 6:22:07 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: *Old_North_State; **North_Carolina; mykdsmom; Lee'sGhost; KOZ.; borntodiefree; azhenfud; ...
NC ping!
Why don't prison guards have the US and NC flags on their uniforms?
2 posted on 08/28/2002 6:23:27 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Very good question. I understand the policy, but I don't understand the omission of the flag(s) as part of the uniform.
3 posted on 08/28/2002 6:26:10 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Constitution Day; stainlessbanner; sheltonmac; Twodees
Dollars to donuts the so-called "neo-Nazi" emblem the DoC functionary was referring to is the Confederate battle flag.

Agreed. From a state whose past two governors REFUSED to honor Confederate Memorial Day, if this wasn't the reason, it's not far removed

4 posted on 08/28/2002 6:30:16 AM PDT by billbears
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To: Constitution Day
Yet another example of a cretin who thinks the rules don't apply to him, but HIS rules apply to everyone.

Stupid idiot.

5 posted on 08/28/2002 6:34:32 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Constitution Day
I don't feel sorry for this prison guard. I don't think he was making any kind of important statement, since I don't question the patriotism of the state of North Carolina. If they put the patches on the uniforms as a matter of policy, the next thing you'll know is we'll hear from some other whiner who doesn't want the flags on his/her uniform and portray his/herself as the victim of persecution and oppression for being forced to wear the flags. If they make it optional, then some other jerk will want to put God-knows-what on his/her uniform.
6 posted on 08/28/2002 6:34:49 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Constitution Day
"If he wanted to make a suggestion he should have gone through the chain of command and not just slap a patch on there."

There's your answer. The ignorance displayed of that individual for referring to the flags as "patches" tells me HE should have been the one fired....

7 posted on 08/28/2002 6:37:49 AM PDT by azhenfud
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To: Constitution Day
I can understand this fellow's desire to wear a flag. However, uniforms are supposed to be exactly that -- uniform. Sure, it's surprising that his uniform doesn't already have a flag on it (though my army uniform didn't), but he can't just go out and change it at will. That's just plain silly.
8 posted on 08/28/2002 6:38:00 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: Constitution Day
Pardon me for being a bit cynical but did every Vietnam vet literally get spat on? Time for a Freerepublic survey! How many of you Vietnam veterans were spat on? And if you were spat on, how many of the spitters spent the rest of the day picking up broken teeth with broken fingers?
9 posted on 08/28/2002 6:42:16 AM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: flying Elvis
Funny you should ask.

My dad is a Vietnam vet, and I asked him once.
He came home in '68 and had to fly into San Diego, I think.

Anyway, when he was flying home to NC (still wearing his uniform) he said some hippie called him a 'babykiller'.
He said he just laughed at the idiot.

10 posted on 08/28/2002 6:51:16 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Political correctness rears its ugly head.

State jobs, including DOC, are politically controlled. That there is an instance of this does not surprise me at all. There are people in important places who lack the patriotism that many of us think they should have before they occupy those places.

Keep fighting, guys.

11 posted on 08/28/2002 6:59:38 AM PDT by Windom Earle
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To: maxcygregg
I've often wondered why he didn't punch the guy's lights out.
Maybe he's just more a little easygoing than me.
13 posted on 08/28/2002 7:14:15 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
-- "leaving little ... to individual expression," the policy states

uniform

Function: noun

: dress of a distinctive design or fashion worn by members of a particular group and serving as a means of identification; broadly : distinctive or characteristic clothing

Function: adjective

1 : having always the same form, manner, or degree : not varying or variable

2 : of the same form with others : conforming to one rule or mode : CONSONANT

3 : presenting an unvaried appearance of surface, pattern, or color

To allow "individual expresion" would defeat the purpose of the uniform. Ideally all the guards would be indistinguishable from one another by the prisoners. I see the flags on the uniform as a possible focal point for a prisoner to take exception to, and engender resentment among other prisoners or possibly file a lawsuit. Prisoners have nothing to do all day but think of ways to buck the system.

I thought it sad during the Carter administration that US Navy personnel were proscribed from the wearing of beards. Carter was a Navy man, what was he thinking? But, it was made the regulation, and those that were "too attached" to their facial hair were given the opportunity to seek employment elsewhere.

In a low paying position with arguably the worst working conditions in the United States, why would a prison guard make an issue of this? Lawsuit on the way. A Vietnam vet must be at least in his late 40's by now this guy must have had a checkered job past to wind up starting 2 years ago as a prison guard.

14 posted on 08/28/2002 7:17:40 AM PDT by maximus@Nashville
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To: wimpycat
Hey, it's just "flair". (Maybe you'd have to see the movie):


15 posted on 08/28/2002 7:33:33 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: maximus@Nashville
Ideally all the guards would be indistinguishable from one another by the prisoners.

They should all be the same weight & height, then, and wear hoods.

16 posted on 08/28/2002 7:39:30 AM PDT by Sloth
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To: robertpaulsen
LOL! Yes, as a matter of fact I have seen that movie.
17 posted on 08/28/2002 7:39:33 AM PDT by wimpycat
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To: Constitution Day
I don't see the problem here at all. It's called a uniform for a reason. Now, if this guy wanted to argue that the state and US flags should have been a part of the uniform, he should have addressed that issue in an appropriate way. Directly disobeying orders in an environment that depends on strict obedience was just cause for dismissal here.
18 posted on 08/28/2002 7:45:58 AM PDT by truenospinzone
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To: robertpaulsen
Hahaha!!
19 posted on 08/28/2002 7:51:06 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
The prison admin is exactly right here. If this guy thought that putting U.S. flag patches on the uniform was a good idea, he should have suggested it up the chain of command. Open defiance of the rules by an armed guard is dangerous and was handled correctly here.
20 posted on 08/28/2002 8:05:08 AM PDT by RonF
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