Activist dares IRS to arrest him. Non-filer's message to agency: 'Come and get me'.

WorldNet Daily ^ | September 5, 2002 | Jon Dougherty

[Mr. K]

Maybe he should FILE his return, but list his 'taxable income' as 0 because he has none from the sources he claims as the only ones taxable.

[Middle Man]

"...or you can contest the IRS's claims in Tax Court..."

Just keep this in mind if you ever appeal to tax court: it is a court of record, not a court of law. If you try to raise any constitutional issues you will be handed your head and told that the court does not have subject matter jurisdiction. More likely than not the "judge" will give the government a summary judgment in its favor, with plenty of sanctions and penalties thrown in.

Also keep in mind that many tax court judges are former IRS agents. They put on batsuits and preside with all the trappings of an impartial forum with respect for the law and the Bill of Rights, but it is no such thing.

Tax courts were not created under Article III of the U.S. Constitution. Tax court was created to give ordinary Americans the illusion that they are getting justice under the current tax system. It's a sham and a direct descendent of the "star chambers" of the English monarchy.

[Dementon]

I'm afraid it is going to take mass tax revolt[...]

The revolt is being worked on...

[Middle Man]

"I'm afraid it's going to take a tax revolt by the working stiffs of this country..."

Check out Freedom Drive 2002 this fall. It's going to be a nationwide caravan of citizens descending on Washington to demand that the government answer to why it won't rein in the IRS and stop the illegal activities that are going on every day. Hell, if the gun-grabbers and the reparations conmen can have "Million Man" marches, why can't the most exploited group in America have one too?

[Consort]

The issue seems to be related to his refusal/failure to FILE income tax returns.

OK: If I have to pay FILE a tax return, then Larken has to pay FILE a tax return, even though we feel the same way about the IRS and taxes.

[coloradan]

The agency paid out nearly $150 billion in refunds to 77 million filers and said its website – www.irs.gov – received nearly 2 billion hits during tax season.

LOL! Sounds like a casino billboard telling passersby that their slot machines pay out over $2 million dollars every day. (No mention of what they collect...)

The money "refunded" by the IRS is money they shouldn't have confiscated at gunpoint in the first place, and is money which the government, and not its rightful owners, collected interest on during the period it was in the government's possession. Note that the peasants get no interest, and certainly no penalty, when the government owes them money, but they have to pay high interest and worse penalties to the government when they didn'y pay enough.

[lgjhn]

The revolt is being worked on...
It's about damn time somebody did something on a national scale
Visited the site and signed the Remonstrance and urge every hard-working, tax-paying, working stiff in this country to sign it to.
The real rich take their money, denounce their citizenship and flee the country (cowards). The rest of us need to stand up and fight this.

[lgjhn]

"Note that the peasants get no interest, and certainly no penalty, when the government owes them money, but they have to pay high interest and worse penalties to the government when they didn'y pay enough."

Just another lash of the dictator's whip to keep the slaves moving along.

[Free the USA]

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[B.O. Plenty]

I don't think the justice dept has figured out how to get around the 5th and 6th ammendments yet. The only way would be to use bribery or threats on family....I wouldn't count out either where the "justice" dept is concerned.

[droberts]

Oh, they'll get him all right. They'll wait until 10 to 20 years down the line when he owes a fortune and nail him for the amount owed, penalties and all that interest.

[Semaphore Heathcliffe]

I heard this guy on John Stadtmiller last week. He sounds like he's in his early twenties. Most people I knew when I was that age (self included) were oblivious to anything remotely unrelated to pop culture.

[Pablo64]

I share your frustration (as do millions of taxpayers) but I'm not sure that this type of move is the correct strategy. Unfortunately, I don't believe that we will ever get enough people all at once to do this to set in motion the changes that are needed (that critical mass, so to speak). Most people will just look at these guys as kooks and dismiss them out of hand.

To win the war you have to have the right strategy (battle plan). I think legislation is the only way this is going to change, so we will need to be relentless in trying to get the right people elected (and that includes at the presidential level). Maybe there's some scenario where flat out refusal to pay would work, but I just don't see it here (at least not yet).

[RightOnline]

"The IRS SWAT team will land on this knuckledragger with both feet. The amount of force brought to bear on him will be excessive and unreasonable. However, the wound will be self inflicted."

Sit back, take just a second, and re-read what you wrote above (excerpted here). Now.........think very, very carefully about the country in which you live and the words you wrote, including your characterization of this guy as a "knuckledragger".

I'd suggest you would have made a great little Nazi Party member.

[3k9pm]

Hold on there pardner. I wasn't advocating their actions, I was calling the play-by-play. Do you not believe that this is in this guys future??
Knuckledragger is an army term, means someone with high drag and low speed. Fits this guy pretty well. If you're not going to comply with a particular law, best not to advertise it on the gov's doorstep. If you don't agree with a law (and I do dislike the way the gov enforces/collects their pound of flesh), work to change it. I do not advocate anarchy, do you?

The Nazi reference is WAY out of bounds.

[gitmo]

Whatcha bet this guy always files his taxes? He's just trying to sell books. The IRS isn't allowed to release anything about his tax returns.

[RightOnline]

Fair enough. Just acknowledge that what you just wrote to me was NOT reflected in your original reply to which I responded..........and I call 'em as I see 'em (read: as you write 'em).

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[3k9pm]

Oh, but it was.
See the part where I said "excessive and unreasonable"

Now, about the Nazi reference. How about a little mea culpa on that?

Entire post added here :

Puhleeze!
You know how it will turn out. The IRS SWAT team will land on this knuckledragger with both feet. The amount of force brought to bear on him will be excessive and unreasonable.
However, the wound will be self inflicted. I encourage every tax-paying citizen to avoid paying any tax they LEGALLY can, but those taxes that you do owe MUST be paid.
Otherwise, the gov will lock you up and throw away the key. In the tax court, you are guilty until you can prove you are innocent.

[RightOnline]

I'm sorry that your writing was clumsy and that you failed to adequately get across your true feelings towards this man without the benefit of a follow-up reply in which you could explain your remarks.

I accept, fully, your subsequent explanation and understand your position now......and can agree with you.

However, I never apologize for responding to something as it was written. I'm not a mind-reader, my friend. I'd suggest leaving out "knuckledragger" when you're not trying to belittle, demean, or otherwise make fun of someone. That would have helped immensely. If you aren't familiar with the current use of the term in today's liberal-dominated media, look around and ask around. That will help explain my reaction to what you wrote, for it truly set the tone.........