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WHAT will Saddam do, and WHEN? It's time to assess the situation. (Vanity)
EternalHope | September 16, 2002 | EternalHope

Posted on 09/16/2002 12:30:06 PM PDT by EternalHope

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Ultimately, I believe Saddam will do whatever he thinks optimizes his chances for long-term survival. He seems to be in no hurry to get his 72 virgins and 3 young boys.

If he thinks he is dead either way, then I suspect he will strike first in an attempt to bring as many of us down with him as possible. He would want to revel in the spectacle.

ODDS: All in all, I rate the odds of a major attack against us as very high: Say, 85%.

WHEN: My guess is a first strike. I suspect it will come right after Congress passes a resolution authorizing an attack against Iraq.

Other possibilities exist, such as a public threat first, coupled with a demand that we back off.

1 posted on 09/16/2002 12:30:06 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: EternalHope
If he does something bad to innocent Americans he will see his country flattened and a lot of it's people taken out violently. If he sits back he will get strung up on a lightpole.

Hmm, if I was Saddam what would I do, hmmm. I got it, blackmail. Yep that's the ticket. He may very well already have his pieces in place and now simply waits for the moment of truth to make the ultimatum. I think the probability of this scenario playing out is very high. He seems to placid not to be holding a high card or two.

Interesting times indeed.

2 posted on 09/16/2002 12:36:47 PM PDT by kinghorse
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To: kinghorse
He seems too placid not to be holding a high card or two.

I agree. He has what he thinks is a strong hand or he would be playing his cards differently.

3 posted on 09/16/2002 12:43:57 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: EternalHope; Nogbad; Mitchell; Travis McGee; Miss Marple; Howlin; Alamo-Girl
Here's what Saddam is saying to Bush:
You saw what I did to you on 9-11, using a handful of men armed with box cutters. You have the analysis of that powder I sent to Daschle. You understand what a few more such men could do with that powder. So, you have to ask yourself: "Do I feel lucky?"

Your predecessor, President Clinton, was smart. He understood: what people don't know won't hurt them. Listen to him now.

I'm happy with 9-11: I got my revenge, and it was a gas. So let's call it Even Stevens, okay? Because, if you point the finger at me, you'll have to kill me. And if you kill me, you'll regret it for the rest of your days. Got the picture? How about it?

Care to venture a guess at what Bush is now saying to Saddam?

4 posted on 09/16/2002 12:48:33 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: EternalHope; The Great Satan; piasa; harpseal; wardaddy; Squantos; Poohbah; Myrddin
If he has a few kilos or more of weaponized anthrax ready to go in the USA, and loyal agents to deliver it (doubtful) he'll use it to cripple our medical, postal and transportation systems. It could put a very big hurt on our economy.

I don't think Saddam has too many sleeper agents in the USA willing to commit suicide as a gesture to mark his downfall.

Smallpox is an outside threat.

5 posted on 09/16/2002 12:55:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: EternalHope
The time has come to ask:
1. What are the ODDS of a major attack by Saddam Hussein on the American homeland?
2. WHEN is such an attack most likely to occur?

And 3. What weapon(s) will be used in the attack? Biological (anthrax, small pox, etc.)? A conventional (fission) nuke? A stolen (or bought) thermonulear fusion bomb from the Russians? A "dirty" bomb? VX or sarin gas?

To attempt to answer your two main questions, I'd suspect that an eventual WMD attack on our shores is very high. However, Saddam Hussein doesn't necessarily have to be behind such an attack. There are multitudes of Islamic terrorist orgs (aside from al Qaeda), and a lot of them are well financed. So the attack can originate from almost anywhere in the radical Islamic world.

When is the attack most likely to occur, you ask? If Saddam is behind it, expect it very shortly (within a couple of months). If it's an Al Qaeda operation, the answer is .....when we least expect it.

6 posted on 09/16/2002 12:58:02 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Travis McGee
I don't think Saddam has too many sleeper agents in the USA willing to commit suicide as a gesture to mark his downfall.

They don't have to be willing to do it for Saddam. These al-Qaeda people are like attack dogs, straining at the leash. They want those codes (locker combinations, whatever). That's the beauty of this setup, from Saddam's point of view. It's golden.

7 posted on 09/16/2002 1:02:17 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan
Nicely put. My guess is that you got the Saddam part of the coversation pretty close.

Saddam clearly thinks he has some very high cards, and I believe he does.

Care to venture a guess at what Bush is now saying to Saddam?

That's the million dollar question. You can bet it includes an explanation of what will happen to Iraq/Saddam if weapons of mass destruction are used against us.

It looks to me like President Bush thinks we are ready, and has decided to take the next step. Alternatively, he knows we are not ready, but believes waiting will only make it worse.

BTW: It looks to me like neither side will back down. If this is a game of chicken, my guess is that we are about to crash. We live in perilous times.

8 posted on 09/16/2002 1:15:15 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: Travis McGee
I don't think Saddam has too many sleeper agents in the USA willing to commit suicide as a gesture to mark his downfall.

He does not NEED many agents of his own. He can attack us directly, of simply make sure it gets into the "right" hands. His people do even have to do the dying. Radical Islam has lots of volunteers.

He can do this any time he chooses to.

9 posted on 09/16/2002 1:22:57 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: EternalHope
Bush is not saying anything to Saddam. The game right now is to see which Iraqi commanders/agents can be turned.
10 posted on 09/16/2002 1:24:05 PM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer
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To: EternalHope
I think this has a long way to go yet. Bush's strategy is to totally isolate Saddam Hussein, both in the eyes of the world community and from his own people and military. This is an eminently attainable goal, given the hand Bush holds, and we are already seeing rapidly accelerating progress in that direction. If and when it becomes appropriate, as the nature of the standoff becomes explicit, Bush can also evacuate Baghdad with the flick of a wrist -- e.g. by the simple expedient of putting nuclear bombers over the city, 24x7. Bush can also start taking the country apart, in a reprise of the Afghan strategy, without directly threatening Saddam's survival and bringing things to the brink.

So, there are plenty of levers to pull. Unfortunately, there is no guarantee that this will be enough to get Saddam out without a catastrophe. If it isn't, we could be in for a very long stand-off, because Bush isn't going to gamble losing New York or Washington, DC by attacking Saddam directly, not IMHO.

This is a nightmare situation, no question about it. Thanks, Bubba.

11 posted on 09/16/2002 1:25:59 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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Care to venture a guess at what Bush is now saying to Saddam?

What's Bush saying? Probably something akin to:

I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement, I've kinda lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?

12 posted on 09/16/2002 1:27:10 PM PDT by mhking
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To: EternalHope
Oops. I meant to say:

His people do not even have to do the dieing.

(post in haste, repent at leisure...)

13 posted on 09/16/2002 1:28:06 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: mhking
Unfortunately, that would be Saddam, not Bush. He has the initative in this conflict and, in war, the advantage is almost always with the aggressor.
14 posted on 09/16/2002 1:28:52 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan
He has the initative in this conflict and, in war, the advantage is almost always with the aggressor.

Before the UN speech, I would have agreed with you, but I have to wonder if Bush has forged ahead in the "upper hand" department of late...

15 posted on 09/16/2002 1:32:11 PM PDT by mhking
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To: EternalHope
BTW, if Act III does involve going public on the anthrax threat, I think Bush would be advised to have that nuclear bomber aleady stationed over Baghdad when he makes the announcement. But we are several notches below the appropriate psychological preparedness for that right now. We are getting there, incrementally. Every day, you can feel it getting closer.
16 posted on 09/16/2002 1:37:09 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan
Bush's strategy is to totally isolate Saddam Hussein, both in the eyes of the world community and from his own people and military. This is an eminently attainable goal, given the hand Bush holds, and we are already seeing rapidly accelerating progress in that direction.

If we can pull this off, fantastic. We are certainly making progress.

But I do not think this will be sufficient to dislodge Saddam.

We are in a position that REQUIRES us to act if something does not change. President Bush has thrown down the gauntlet, and cannot back down without losing all credibility forever.

I agree, it seems highly unlikely our President would risk losing New York or DC unless the alternative was even worse. We may be there.

17 posted on 09/16/2002 1:38:40 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: EternalHope
It'll be interesting to hear what he (Saddam) has to say at the UN shortly... in a couple of hours from now.
18 posted on 09/16/2002 1:40:36 PM PDT by Stevieboy
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To: EternalHope
I agree, it seems highly unlikely our President would risk losing New York or DC unless the alternative was even worse

Well, of course that depends on what the risk level is, and whether the alternative is really worse, and what our confidence level is about that. We were here, forty years ago, with the Cuban Missile Crisis. Only trouble is, Russia hadn't already pulled off a 9-11, its ICBM placement could be verified by our satellites, and Nikita Kruschev wasn't Saddam Hussein.

19 posted on 09/16/2002 1:48:45 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan
"Every day, you can feel it getting closer."



That about says it all for me.
20 posted on 09/16/2002 1:51:36 PM PDT by bonfire
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