Twenty-three year old man shot dead by police in a marijuana raid

Dayton Daily News ^ | 10/01/02 | Cathy Mong

[Havoc]

You guys are the ones spinning here. Take what I say and twist. I'm rather used to that from other debates. Dems, religious indoctrinates, and now druggies - who'd a thunk it. People with agendas come from all walks of life - even the ones crawling cause they're too blitzed to walk upright.

I don't think I've been talking about beliefs here. I've been talking about real world stuff "REAL WORLD" you know, that place that exists outside of THC laced dreamstates.
I'm not blinded by my own convictions, I'm convinced by common sense and will not be disuaded from my position.
Drugs are harmful and your pet is no different.

You keep falling back to the same tired arguments "well it's not as bad as other things.." Right, running over a bunny rabbit isn't as bad as committing murder. I'm not going to recommend people be free to do so as a sport.

I stick to right and wrong and then deal with legal and illegal on a responsible basis. Morally, drugs are wrong.
Common sensically, drugs are wrong. No basis on which to overturn good law. On the other hand, murdering babies is bad. But, we don't overturn that by ignoring the law. We overturn it by challenging the lawmakers or the laws. I know, you can't wait for that and have to break the law.
The have tos also have to go to jail when caught. To bad, so sad. This is a land of law. Don't like it and can't live by the system, get the heck out.

[tacticalogic]

I'm not blinded by my own convictions, I'm convinced by common sense and will not be disuaded from my position. Drugs are harmful and your pet is no different.

I am equally convinced by common sense that the unrestrained growth and power of the federal government is harmful, and that the New Deal Commerce Clause is largely to blame. Every expansion of government power that is based on it is harmful, and your pet is no different. I will not however, accuse you of harboring criminal intent for holding a dissenting opinion.

[headsonpikes]

Dear Mr. Safe Government Job:

ROTFLMAO!! You sound like the dialogue balloons for Joe Friday.

You are an excellent representation, be it fictive, ironic, or otherwise of the parasitic drone class that has come to dominate American public life.

Your mock-tough lawyerly cant fools nobody, shyster. Your mock-clever, mock-worldly rationales for a police state probably impress your buds at the doughnut shop, but leave a sentient person cold.

Drum up all the hysteria you can muster; I doubt that you will ever collect the parasite's pension that you think you're entitled to.

Heads on pikes! Crooked cops, lawyers, and other state-dpendent scum first.

After all, they are the leading profiteers of the War on Drugs. Hang 'em high!

Hopefully, this includes you.

[gdc61]

point noted, true knowledge comes in stages or waves if you like and hindsight is a good teacher

[Havoc]

Keep talking. Ya'll get the last word cause I've got nothing more to say. Yall's looney toons - boogey man's gonna get everyone bs diatribes show just how cooky
and dumb your arguments are.

The police state gonna git ya boy. LOL. You've never seen a police state you spoiled little punks. And throwing around catch phrases like that don't paint the picture. The US government don't come and get you whining little pukes in the middle of the night and cart you off never to be heard from again. Nor do they shoot your parents for disobeying. I could go on - as can anyone with half an IQ more than that held by soap. But by golly it's gotta be the boogey man jack booted thugs cause they won't let you suck dope. OOOOh, I'm so scared. The world's gonna fall apart because you can't blitz yourself legally - and wah you might go to jail if you get caught breaking the law.
Bully for you.

Keep on talkin' I'm through. I came back once; but, this is about as useful at this point as talking to a brick.
I guess some of us had mothers that raised us right. Mine had the sense to tell me if she caught me doing or selling -she'd take me to jail herself. Nah, never mind. Respect isn't something you'll respond to. Ya'll don't respect the laws of this land to begin with or our form of government.
Later.

Oh, and as a ps. If you're so sure of your stance. Go smoke a doob in front of a cop for us....

[headsonpikes]

"I guess some of us had mothers that raised us right."

Yep. And some of us had fathers, too.

[gdc61]

havoc! reread my posts! i state facts, i don't tell emotional stories, true or untrue, the fact is i equate pot to cigarettes and alcohal in REAL health terms, you equate murder to running over bunnies. common sense tells me one is right and one is wrong. for instance "crawling" "too blitzed to walk upright" if you indeed did know what you were talking about you wouldn't make these rediculous statements. thats called spin. oh and no agenda here, i just joined FReepers because i share the same political views and enjoy good debate. "REAL WORLD" that was on MTV ..i hate MTV. auto insurance, homeowners insurance, business liability insurance, life insurance, health and disability insurance, selfemployment tax, social security tax, school tax, state/local tax, quarterly tax statements/payments and i probably missed a few. i know plenty about the real REAL WORLD do you ? i know that smoking pot almost daily didn't stop me from living the american dream and there are literally millions of people just like me that consume alcohal, smoke pot and/or cigerettes and lead completely normal lives. you drawing a conclusion of what is "harmful" is fine, for you, not me, I stick to right and wrong as well, and then deal with legal and illegal on a responsible basis. Morally, drugs are NOT wrong and man in civilization has used various types of drugs for various reasons , recreational use included, for a millenia. your condesending attitude and this unwinable WOD needs to end. the purpose of law is to protect peoples freedoms not impose moral/religious beliefs upon someone with different views. at least you share my views on abortion , there is some hope for you son!

[md2576]

"don't waste your breath on "havoc" there is no reason or logic , only the dogma and dogdo he has been spewing in this thread."

You said it! You ask him to come out and give some HARD facts he can't respond.

He is in fantasy land and didn't respond to post 677 because he can post no facts.

Here are some DRUG FACTS for you!

You see Havoc, Your problem is that you think we are all for promoting criminal activities.

You are furthest from reality. Many of us are employed in protecting and serving the public every day!

We are against the criminalization of marijuana. We do not think people who break the law should not go to jail.

We do not believe all off the other ignorant blabber that bubbled out your squatter is moral.

If you must call marijuana a drug. You must also call alcohol and cigarettes a drug!

However these three leisure's are used, whether abused or recreational, they have many same effects on people.

Except!-Death Caused by each and 2 are legal!

We want to know why? Can you answer this question with a reasonable, real life, no BS answer? One that maybe has a link to an actual story where marijuana caused death or destruction of thousands, even hundreds, of lives? Not one or two people. Some abuse butane and cough medicine but we don't illegalise those either.

.......Or can you admit that if marijuana should be illegal than maybe alcohol should be called a drug and people who drink should be looked at in the same light as people who smoke marijuana?

Believe it or not, we are the same.

Your neighbor, your teacher, your bank teller, your fire fighter, your local merchant. You never know. It shouldn't matter and you shouldn't be thrown in jail for it. You will some day except this fact, Havoc, and understand the majority does believe this way. Unfortunately you won't take the time to back up your bull and post something "REAL!"

That is why "real life" has a deaf ear for radical hipocrits like you.

[md2576]

In case you missed the point of the link I posted...
"You know, the saddest thing about this, is that when Californians passed Proposition 215, they were trying to protect the rights of the sick and the dying. And now, the very law that was meant to protect them--is being used to persecute them."

What do you say about the Federal Gov. breaking laws?

 

[md2576]

New Thread!

[md2576]

Exposing Havoc as the hypocrite we all know him to be!

Havoc says "Y'all don't respect the laws of this land to begin with or our form of government.""I stick to right and wrong and then deal with legal and illegal on a responsible basis." Plus more that deals with criminals are criminals and should be punished.

Havocs Home Page will show that he is a hacker! If you didn't know Havoc, Hacking IS illegal and I hope they lock you up with the other rapists and murderers for wrecking peoples lives by exposing their personal computer information as well as giving everyone fear of using the internet. You want to free Kevin? He is just another crook to needs to serve his time right?

You should also take a look at the people and singers you enjoy and respect. You know how many of them smoke marijuana?

Your Bio tells us all what a fake you.

You are no doubt looking at your web access logs now for my i.p. address so that you can hack me aren't you? Good Luck!

By the way. I'm sure you are aware of the U.S. Federal Anti-Hacking Laws and what breaking them means. You also support the Patriot Act which will ultimately lead to your arrest because the government compromised your rights to obtain a tap on your criminal activities. Let me guess, It doesn't hurt anyone right?

If you don't want your personal activities affecting your ability to post a meaningful and coherent belief or be able to back up your beliefs without lies, reefer madness annotations and hypocritical statements, then you shouldn't post it in your profile.

 

[Havoc]

You really are just a spiteful little underachiever aren't you.

Hint: Look up the word hacker in the dictionary. When you're done removing your feet from your mouth, you might
also review your equivocation with liking one's work with liking one's personal life choices. What are you 9? I was thinking 10; but, I'm seriously doubting you're even that grown up.

Oh well, at least you bothered to actually read something.
The fact that you can read impresses me at this point. Get a life.

[md2576]

That is your final reply to a pursuit to get you to show facts to back up your reefer madness belief? Your obvious dodging of questions with the use of name calling and inconsequent replies confirms to everyone how foolish you really are. Now we can go on discussing real life and posting real stories while you hide your ignorance behind name calling and propaganda. So until you back up your rubbish with examinable proof... then sticks and stones may break my bones jackass!

[GeekDejure]

I'm sure they all had designated drivers to take them home at 11:30 in the morning when they ran the barrels dry.

Hmmmm. . . designated drivers at a golf outing. . . sounds suspecious to me !!! ;-))

[Havoc]

Through babbling?

[md2576]

I expect no less from you.

[md2576]

Typical response from you and anyone else who thinks pot is harmful to society.

[hove]

Here you are another dope thread. My guess is that you are in recovery....and you miss the good old days...and just can't let go.....

Oooops....here I am in another dope thread......never mind.....