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To: glorygirl
Just what kind of involvement existed between the U.S. Govt. and the bombers of Oklahomas Murrah building?
Everyone is aware of the be on the lookout order directly after the bombing. Everyone is aware of the guy at the truck rental place that was with McVeigh. Everyone has heard of munitions stored at the Murrah building by the feds in violations of existing laws.Everyone has heard of the presence of fed bomb squads roaming around Ok city the morning of the bombing. Everyone knows that Clinton was toast if this hadn't happened.
Do you trust the U.S. Govt? How about the F.B.I.,C.I.A.,B.A.T.F.,I.R.S.?
I haven't trusted the govt since L.B.J. swore he would get
the U.S. involvement in VietNam ended. Then he put another 400,000 American troops over there and for what? The oil that used to be in the gulf of Tonkin?
I an tired of the U.S. Govt. and its employees thinking they know what is best for stupid little old me. Try telling the truth and then maybe we the people would support our govt just a little more.
As it is I don't trust my govt even a little for I know they lie at nearly every step.

6 posted on 10/21/2002 3:41:58 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Joe Boucher
The US government is made up of citizens just like you and me. I trust it no more, but also no less, than my fellow citizens. What's more, the US government is divided into many factions and divisions justs as are we citizens. Some factions are more trustworthy than others, and like religious groups and rotary clubs and business associations in the civilian world, the integrity of each division and department changes over time depending on how responsibly they are managed. Thus, the FBI can be corrupt if led by corrupt people or if those who lead it do not have the power to fire those under them for mismanagement or fraud. Much of the corruption seen in government is because the federal union protects corrupt employees from being dismissed. Instead, it is easier to get rid of them by promoting or transferring them into someone elses' office.

It is wrong to think of 'the government' as being uniformly corrupt and it is wrong to think of it as being consistently corrupt. The odds that everyone in government is corrupt is about the same as the odds that everyone in your neighborhood or at your work is corrupt.

The reason 'the government' seems so corrupt is because you never see the good and honorable peope in it, nor the things they do, making the news. When some guy in the Army cuts the budget on a program because he does an end-run around the designers of a product and fixes a problem without them, he gets a bit of paper on his desk commending him for saving a few million dollars, but it doesn't make the news because it's his job. When some Naval officer refuses to be pressured into certifying untrained or poorly trained crewmen because in his view, they aren't able to do the job, it doesn't make the news that instead those crewmen ended up getting proper training because of his obstinance- it's his job. When some FBI agent cracks a routine case or refuses to be bribed it doesn't make the news because this is their everyday job. When some patent examiner gives some application pointers to an inventor that helps him in his legal standing when he goes to market his product, it doesn't make the news. It isn't news when things go right... it's only news when things go wrong.

Look at your fellow workers and if you see them stealing from your employer, then you can expect about the same level of corruption from government, too. And if you say nothing when you see it happen, you can expect a government employee to do the same thing. If you see people at your work doing an honorable job or going beyond the expectations of their employer, then you can expect the same level of integrity in government too. And if you do your best work for your employer, or if you yourself are a good manager and employer, you can expect a government worker like yourself, or a government manager or public official, will do the same outstanding work, too. No more and no less.

7 posted on 10/21/2002 4:09:10 AM PDT by piasa
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To: Joe Boucher
I haven't trusted any government since Harry Anslinger testified before congress and they believed him.
31 posted on 10/22/2002 5:57:19 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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