Posted on 10/24/2002 5:16:17 PM PDT by G. Stolyarov II
This is so much horse manure. There is more to the United States than economy, which by the way has always thrived head and shoulders above every other nation even when our population was around 180 million in 1965.
You think an American gives a flying flip how well the economy is doing if it means third world dregs can come in here and vote and destroy the foundations and culture of the native born? Not hardly Pal. The native population is quickly tossing off this immigration nonsense.
I work with a lot of foreign workers, and they are almost to a man very good people. But that isn't the point.
Anyone who has been to a motel or a convenience store over the last decade can tell that our immigration policy has blown a gasket. Millions have entered the country, they are entering at such a rate that they can not assimilate, and so remain un-assimilated.
Immigration policy should serve the interests of the citizens. It should not be used to depress wage rates, or to alter voter demographics. It should not be used to purposely alter ethnic demographics.
Immigration should serve the interests of citizens, only. That means it must be limited to numbers that can be easily assimilated, to individuals that have skills, to family members of citizens. To overcome the massive influx of people during the nineties, I would favor a 5 or 10 year moratorium on immigration. Combined with an aggressive deportation of illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants are not necessary to the economy. They do not take jobs no one wants.... They take jobs no one wants at the price offered. And under the conditions offered. But raising salaries to attract legal workers does not substantially raise the price of the product, it just reduces the employers leverage over his workers. Which is what US labor law is supposed to do, when it is not subverted by the use of illegal workers.
Lee Malvo is the only refutation this ridiculous argument needs.
By that reasoning then why not let the entire world's population come in here and take us over? Let the new immigrants decide what kind of government they want and we can be a nation of 5 billion. I'm sure the communists in China would LOVE this idea. This guy lives in La La Land.
This is Classic Neo-Con. They really don't believe that capitalism works without an ever rising population. They prefer a chaotic form of capitalism whose validity rests with the sheer numbers of bodies in a country. Sad. By their very beliefs, America's population would have to continually rise towards infinity for prosperity to always be in place.
Of course this is nonsense and our own innovation and technology spawns it's own prosperity. I wonder what these nit wits will think when the socialist party owns all 3 branches of government and property rights become null and void while taxes go through the roof because we as a nation can't control immigration?
Neo-cons are not conservatives. They are the useful idiots of socialists and communists.
He sort of came off as a libertarian, but I'm not sure I even understand the difference anymore. Just about everyone in government, the media, and so-called "academia" supports open borders and the right of illegal aliens to stay. Only the general public are the ones saying no thanks.
It's probably not going to happen until a few dregs in the Senate like Ted Kennedy are gone. They believe in civil rights for everyone BUT Americans.
"Brotherhood of all mankind" --- where have I heard these words? I think that's what Lenin, Stalin and Mao used to repeat at the gravers of 100,000,000 people they have murdered.
No, I think it is more because they are too lazy to train Americans. Either that or not training saves them enough money to justify it. You are probably not aware of the level of fraud when it comes to H-1Bs and their supposed skills. Personally I have seen more than a few that simply don't come close to having the skills they said they had in order to get the job. I'm not saying it is the responsibility of companies to train their workers, but companies that don't are committing suicide in the long run. The plain and simple fact is that if Americans do not have rights to jobs in America, then immigrants have even less. So you can put the bar whever you like, but there must be some advantage to being an American in America otherwise this nation is committing suicide in the long run.
What he forgets to say is that they really want cheap labor because they are unwilling to pay "Americans" decent living wages.
No, I think it is more because they are too lazy to train Americans.
That doesn't make sense. It would be cheaper and easier for US companies to train qualified American workers than to search overseas for them.
I personally know people from India who were invited by American companies to come here to fill jobs they couldn't find enough qualified Americans for.
Nursing is one example of a career which too few Americans are going to school for to fill the job market in the USA. So nurses are recruited overseas to come to America.
I don't buy that either. Nursing is a little different than IT since you have to be licensed, I guess. But if you believe in the free market, wages will rise, and more people will train to become nurses. The market will correct itself. Bringing in government muscle to solve economic problems is always bad in the long run, it seems. I can understand why companies don't put Americans first; it's because profit is the bottom line. There is nothing wrong with profit, but government has a role in making sure that profit is a good thing, unlike the fake profits of Enron, or the dangerous profits of Firestone. Instead, we have the government helping companies put Americans last. They constantly tell us they need more money for inner-city job training. Why not kill two birds with one stone and encourage compaines to train inner-city youths for the jobs of the future, instead of running all our dollars through the bureacracy filter, hoping to solve two problems separately? There has to be some advantage to being an American, otherwise who is going to go through the trouble of becoming one? Long term you risk disaffecting a large portion of the population and you end up with more democrats winning office promising to protect us from corporate barrons, and subsidising our unfulfilled dreams.
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