Sniper Escape Bid (Sniper stopped 10 times for traffic offenses) KeystoneKops alert!

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[ovrtaxt]

SMIRKING ASSASSINS: Malvo and Muhammad in the home of a woman cops believe could be another victim.

FEAR: The Rev. Al Archer warned cops

POLICE SEIZE THIRD MAN

A THIRD man who bought the Chevy killing machine with sniper John Muhammad was arrested yesterday.

Nathanial Osbourne, 26, was at the car lot in Trenton, New Jersey, and his name was entered on the log book as co-owner. The ex-undercover police car was registered to an address where the Jamaican immigrant occasionally lives. The FBI put him on their "most-wanted" website. An investigation source said: "The FBI don't go to such lengths just to talk to someone. This guy could be well implicated."

SNIPER ESCAPE BID
FBI agents grab him as he flees

THE 17-year-old Washington sniper made a dramatic freedom bid—by punching his way through the CEILING of an interview room.

John Lee Malvo seized his chance after being left alone by FBI interrogators.

He leapt on a table and quickly smashed the flimsy ceiling tiles with his fists—then began hauling himself up into a ventilation shaft.

Agents dashed into the room, grabbed his flailing legs and wrenched the struggling teenager back down.

Last night the FBI refused to comment on the embarrassing incident at the "secure" and secret federal centre in Baltimore, Maryland.

Malvo and fellow sniper John Muhammad, 41—who face the death penalty in seven different jurisdictions —are refusing to help enquiries into their reign of terror in the US capital.

Posed

One agent said: "Never mind co-operation. They're not even talking."

The pair—who killed ten and wounded three in a 21-day spree— could also be charged with an unsolved murder on America's west coast.

Keenya Cook, 21, was killed in February with a single head shot as she opened her front door in Tacoma, Washington State, where Muhammad and Malvo were living at the time.

The assassins were friends with her family—and even posed for the now infamous picture together on their sofa.

But ex-Army marksman Muhammad, who changed his name from Williams because he converted to Islam, fell out with the Cooks when they befriended his ex-wife.

Claims of warnings about the pair to police BEFORE the killings started were piling up last night.

The Rev Al Archer, who runs the Lighthouse Mission Centre in Bellingham where the pair once lived, said he suspected the Gulf War veteran was a terrorist after September 11.

He said Muhammad distributed pro-Islam brochures, made anti-American slurs and also threatened to kill cops. He added: "If he'd been stopped at that time, a lot of people would be alive who are now dead."

Mr Archer revealed that Muhammad, who was existing on handouts, started travelling extensively by air. Harjeep Singh, who knew the snipers at a YMCA gym, said he was alarmed at their vow to go on a gun-rampage, targetting cops and fuel tankers.

Police and an FBI agent interviewed Mr Singh but no action was taken.

There were also chilling new revelations last night about how Malvo and Muhammad mocked police by repeatedly slipping through dragnets.

Their 1990 blue Chevrolet Caprice— a killing machine with holes in the boot to fire through—was first noted by police on October 3, just 24 hours after the first killing. But it was lost in the system while the entire hunt centred on a white van.

Meanwhile, Muhammad was stopped or spoken to by officers TEN times for various traffic offences.

During a spot-check on October 8, he was parked and asleep at the wheel. But cops failed to look in the boot, where they would have found the Bushmaster XM15 rifle.

The most chilling escape was last Monday when two illegal immigrants in a white van were held in a swoop as they used a phone booth being staked out by cops.

Muhammad and Malvo had given the number of the booth to detectives in a phone call. And just yards away, they were lurking in their blue Chevy, watching every move in the fiasco.

The car was even caught in the background on news footage—and still the jigsaw did not piece together.

Finally, police realised the car they were looking for. But Chief Charles Moose refused to reveal the number plate. It was only when one of his team leaked it that the pair were found one-and-a-half hours later.

 

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[bandleader]

Let me see if I understand this;They are stopped TEN-Times since October 3rd and their licence number(nor names)are never cross-referenced!!What did they(the Keystone Kops)think these two guys were,Reporters!!!

[Psycho_Runner]

If Barney Fife was in charge he would've used his single bullet to stop the murderer. IMHO.

[NittanyLion]

The police knew last Sunday that the snipers were most likely African-Americans when they interviewed the priest who received a telephone call from the snipers. The public never knew that until late Wednesday night.

Yep. Instead, Moose allowed the "lone, white, militia member" myth to perpetuate.

A Chevy Caprice was identified at being at the scene of the sniper shooting of the child, and then again by another witness in the DC killing (car was seen leaving the cene with its lights out). On Oct. 13 Chief Moose was asked about a Caprice possibly being used by the snipers; Moose reply was "we don't need pushback by the public".

Right again. Moose's actions are a damn disgrace.

[Betty Jo]

Well said!

[timestax]

bump

[Betty Jo]

Round them up, throw them out, kill them all or we will all be killed!

[Deep_6]

re:
"...If a private citizen had this info and kept it secret, he would be guilty of abetment.."

It wasn't "kept secret", it was broadcast within law enforcement but not
to the public.

Tell me, isn't it stupid to tell the one's your trying to catch, all that you know about them?

 

[Deep_6]

re:
"....This is a discussion forum...discussing, quarterbacking, solving, acting like nuts,
flaming, spreading good info and bad...that's what we do...that's ALL we do.

Don'cha just luv it........"

 

That's why I'm here! But thanks for pointing it out to those that didn't notice.

[Deep_6]

AARRAAGGHHHHH!!!

re:
"..The police knew last Sunday that the snipers were most likely...."

Most likely? That's like what.... "a big maybe"?

Hey, I just bought a lottery ticket and I'm most likely gonna' be rich!

You know what's even funnier? This:

"...The police knew last Sunday that the snipers were most likely
African-Americans when they interviewed the priest who received
a telephone call from the snipers...."

A telephone call~~~~~~~~? From the snipers?

Yo man.. tell yo momma wese dah one dat did dah deed...?

Did it sound like that, ya' think?

Good grief. Yeah. Afro-am. That's it. Pick 'em up Danno.

[anatolfz]

I wonder if all this is going to provoke a rethink in both intelligence and police work, these big mess-ups? I see what others are saying here, but is it also not true that all this committee-like approach to important work is the big problem?

When this sniper case started they announced numerous members of many many depts. and agencies were setting to work and were going to be directly involved. But there's a point where more people doesn't mean you're getting more done - and it's not just that the extra people are not doing anything helpful, but you're actually getting less done than with the original group, because the extras start gumming up the works. You start having to spend lots of time updating everyone every day. "Well, we won't know what we're doing until those guys get back to us. But then we'll need to tell them what we're going to do, and find out what they're going to do about that, before we go ahead and do that." And then this monster becomes a great big dummy with no central brain. Almost like a jelly fish - all nerve endings but no eyes and no cognition.

[johnb838]

But when they withhold intelligence, LIKE THE LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, what are we supposed to do? You can't have it both ways. If they want to be totally in charge of the situation, then they should take full responsibility for the screw ups.

I call on Moose to resign immediately for the botching of this investigation which cost at least five people to lose their lives unnecessarily.

[Tuco-bad]

A telephone call~~~~~~~~? From the snipers?

In the telephone call to the priest, in which both snipers spoke to the priest, the snipers mentioned the crime in Montgomery, Alabama, and other items in the notes left to the snipers.

You do realize that various people have accents that can be identified within a reasonable probability?

[Rockpile]

It's interesting how you think that Malvo being a fugitive-- who might have been "made" if police had bothered to run him--is irrelevant.

[Rockpile]

I don't think you mean me but I'll pitch this out---







Sniper Theory(Please Read and Comment) (Vanity)



Posted by Rockpile to My Favorite Headache
On News/Activism 10/23/2002 0:02 AM PDT #132 of 146

You know, arranging a bogus phone call might be a useful way to get a
look--from an observation point--at what type of unmarked vehicles the
SWAT teams are using. Just speculatin'.

[Deep_6]

Thanks for your very excellent observation.

As I sat and read through the many posts on this thread [that
manage to find so much fault with the manner in which the
search and capture was handled], I can only wonder how many
of those posters are naive women, youths, or live closeted lives.

The liberals are usually the first to make the claim that all
freedom and rights should be abandoned for more safety.
It always surprises me to read it here on FR.

I "carry". If I had witnessed a "sniper" about to take his shot,
I would not have hesitated to stop the action. I am not privy
to the police reports, nor should I be. It would have mattered little
anyway. If there were "snipers" at various locations in this Nation,
firing simultaneously, what difference would a car color, make,
year, or nationality of it's occupants, make?

It's our responsibility to secure our own safety. That does not
mean that we should be privy to internal reports and information
of an ongoing [government] investigation. It means only, that 
we have the right to protect ourselves, substantiated by 
our 2nd Amendment. 

The time to act, is at the time necessitating the act. We don't
need paranoid loonies attacking white vans.

[Deep_6]

Re your post  53 ?

The list of "fugitives" of other states' jurisdiction are not widely broadcast.
You can be considered "fugitive of justice" for not having responded at
court for a simple traffic violation. Failure to appear; a "contempt of court" 
charge and lack of response to that, would place you on the list.

FUGITIVE FROM JUSTICE:
[federal] Any person who has fled from any State to avoid prosecution for a crime
or to avoid giving testimony in any criminal proceeding. 18 U.S.C.

I have no manner to cite the number of "fugitives of justice", but I'm sure
it would be in the millions.

[ovrtaxt]

Ive been absent since post 32 or so. I understand your reasoning, and you bring up some valid points, but here's where I differ. There are two classes of information at work in any investigation. Some jeopardizes the case and some doesn't. (By 'the case' I mean the legal case against the perps after they are caught.)

Moose and the boys here didn't release ANY of it. Some of that info would have helped the general public protect themselves, and some would have aided the capture of the perp, like the license plate number, which had to be leaked behind Moose's back. There's no reason to withhold that info, except a mistrust of the citizens.

But I would have gone even further. I don't have a problem with vigilantes. We use bounty hunters all the time to find people that have skipped bail, what's the difference?

IMO, these agencies wanted to come out like big heroes, and in the end, a trucker from Kentucky found them in 1 1/2 hours. The cops screwed up. They should have employed the public in this thing long before.

[FLAUSA]

Any good police officer will tell you that crimes are usually solve by:

1. Someone turning in the perp or

2. the perp turning himself (herself) in or confessing.

With that in mind, when you limit the public knowledge of who or what the perp might be, you eliminate the ability of Joe Citizen to turn in the perp. This is what happened in the sniper case. But it gets even worse. Since LE has profiled the sniper as a white man, they ignored the actual sniper trying to confess 6 times! The Moose effectively eliminated both usual methods of solving a crime.