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To: Stand Watch Listen
That article is partly crap and partly true.

I spent 9 years in the army. I always fired expert. In fact in Basic Training I fired a perfect 40. And I'm mighty proud of it, too. In order to do that I had to hit about 4 (if I remember right) targets that were 300 meters distant.

The part that is true about the article is that the expert badge is meaningless. I know for a fact that there was quite a bit of cheating at the range. Since range scores translate directly to promotion points, a good score is important. And since scoring is done by your buddy, a good score is easily achievable.

But to make a blanket statement that the expert badge is meaningless, bothers me to a certain extent. Many of the expert badges out there are meaningless because they're not genuine. My badge is genuine and therefor I take exception to the comment.

How many are phony? I don't know, but I bet it's a high percentage.

I have a nephew in the army now, he says that some of the ranges have electronic scoring.

6 posted on 10/28/2002 1:00:47 PM PST by sparkomatic
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To: sparkomatic
I have a nephew in the army now, he says that some of the ranges have electronic scoring.

I was wondering what you mean by your buddy scores for you. The only time I saw manual scoring was when zeroing ranges were used to qualify.

8 posted on 10/28/2002 1:09:18 PM PST by briant
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To: sparkomatic; *bang_list
he says that some of the ranges have electronic scoring.

Active installation qualification ranges should all be automated ERETS (Enhanced Remote Electronic Target System) ranges that count hits/misses automatically, via computerized sensors.

Your score cannot be "doctored" without WILDLY obvious tampering.

9 posted on 10/28/2002 1:10:18 PM PST by xsrdx
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To: sparkomatic
I understand what your saying, but, as a fellow soldier (ARNG), I have also shot the gamut from Marksman to Expert.

While, I'll agree that shooting expert (which I've not done all that often) is, by no means, "Not a big deal", it does not indicate mastery of the weapon, techniques, concealment, and mindset to the degree that would equate an "Expert" shooter to a sniper.

12 posted on 10/28/2002 1:24:44 PM PST by freedombird
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To: sparkomatic
I spent 9 years in the army. I always fired expert. In fact in Basic Training I fired a perfect 40. And I'm mighty proud of it, too. In order to do that I had to hit about 4 (if I remember right) targets that were 300 meters distant.

When did the 40 come along? In 1971 we had to shoot at a hundred and I hit 99.

29 posted on 10/28/2002 2:12:18 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon
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