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Wiccans Offer Alternative to Boy Scouts
CNSNews.com ^ | October 31, 2002 | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 10/31/2002 9:05:17 AM PST by H8DEMS

(CNSNews.com) - Frustrated by an unsuccessful campaign to achieve religious recognition from the Boy Scouts of America, a Seattle-based Wicca church has launched its own youth program, which is based on tolerance for different beliefs, including differences in sexual orientation.

SpiralScouts founder Pete 'Pathfinder' Davis believes that many of the things the Boy Scouts are doing are "socially inappropriate." He said he created to the SpiralScouts to "fill the void left by prejudicial treatment of other established children's programs."

Davis, who serves as the Archpriest of the Wiccan Aquarian Tabernacle Church, said his main argument with the BSA is that the group has refused to recognize Wicca as an acceptable form of worship, but at the same time, the BSA incorporates the symbols of myriad Christian denominations into its Religious Emblems program.

He said the Scouts rejected a Wicca badge that was designed and submitted by a well-known Wiccan priestess.

In 1999, Davis created the SpiralScouts as the Aquarian Tabernacle Church's "answer" to the Boy Scouts and other youth organizations that subscribe only to "traditional" faiths. Today, the SpiralScouts welcomes children of all ages (four and up) and backgrounds, including Wiccans, pagans, atheists and homosexuals.

Davis said practicing Wicca is not a mandatory activity for the 50 SpiralScout units currently operating across the U.S., Canada and Switzerland. Beyond fostering a respect for nature, it is up to each SpiralScout unit leader to decide whether they will teach children the principles and philosophy of the Wiccan religion.

The vast majority of the SpiralScout units are operated by Wiccan groups and churches, he said.

"When we started to formalize the program, we designed it in a fashion that it's oriented towards earth religion, but so is Scouting, whether they realize it or not," Davis said. Unlike the "pervasive" use of Christianity contained within the BSA, the SpiralScouts was created to accommodate the spiritual beliefs of any minority religious group, he said.

SpiralScouts describes itself as a work in progress. It says it offers children the opportunity to develop interpersonal and life skills and a pagan world view, in addition to learning "the usual handicrafts of scouting and woodland lore."

Boy Scouts dismiss rejection

According to BSA spokesman Gregg Shields, religious emblems are the property of approved religious scouting organizations and are awarded at their own discretion. For example, he said the National Catholic Council on Scouting and the National Jewish Committee on Scouting each have their own unique religious emblem.

"There is no national Wiccan organization," Shields said. "So, that's why there is no religious award for Wiccans."

He encouraged any Wiccan group that would like to charter a troop in their community to submit an application to their local BSA council for consideration.

Focus on tolerance

According to the SpiralScouts membership requirements, it is imperative that parents and leaders promote religious and cultural tolerance so their children may learn to co-exist with society as a whole. Specifically, the group encourages children to accept the "differing roles of male and female throughout nature and culture."

Contrary to the Boy Scout policy of excluding homosexuals - a policy upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court - the SpiralScouts welcomes homosexuals within its ranks. Davis explained that the Wiccan religion accommodates homosexuals because its philosophy is focused on the "balance of polarities" of that exist in nature.

For example, Davis said the SpiralScouts mandates that leaders of individual units should include both a male and a female. However, he said the rules are flexible because some adults, such as homosexuals, "believe themselves to be embodying masculine or feminine characteristics."

Davis believes that such a male/female balance of leadership ensures a SpiralScout's positive integration into the real world. "Children are not born with prejudices," he noted. "They have to learn prejudice and intolerance from others."

Defiance of 'extreme right'

According to the group's handbook, "SpiralScouts is something new, something perhaps of historic proportions for modern Paganism. It certainly will have an unmistakable impact on Pagan children growing up in this era of Christian extreme-right domination of our culture."

According to the SpiralScouts' interpretation of the pagan philosophy, children participating in the program will learn to honor "both the maleness and femaleness we all harbor within us," as the handbook put it. "Perhaps, if we are lucky, even a few parents who may need some brushing up on these same skills may reap benefits just from being there with the children while the kids learn these things."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: atheists; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; devil; homosexuals; satan; scouts; wiccans
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To: skull stomper
VERY well said.
181 posted on 11/01/2002 2:13:29 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: OPS4


182 posted on 11/01/2002 2:20:37 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: OPS4


183 posted on 11/01/2002 2:22:04 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Rustheman
And what is the Biblical quote on someone who presents good as bad, and bad as good?
184 posted on 11/01/2002 4:00:56 AM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Hunble
The word WILL was used for a very important purpose. It was not "do anything you desire" or "hey, anything is allowed."

No, the word WILL was used as an expression of your Spirituality and Morality.

I think that you could find a lot of wiccans who think this verse shows homosexuality to be perfectly ok. You might be rare in your conservative interpretation. But, all it takes is to find like minded people with the same interpretation and everyone is happy. Perhaps you have heard "Do thy own will shall be the whole of the law" Anton Levey.

This is so close to the Christian "Golden Rule", it is often used in debates on religious history.

I have thought of the two together many times. That and prayer vs spells. In my study of wicca I am disappointed in the diversity of the definitions of God. This really seems to be up to the individual and that being the case, all the more with "an it harm none..."

185 posted on 11/01/2002 6:21:02 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: American in Israel
Snide? If you think that was snide, maybe I've been spending too much time arguing Libertarian philosophy. The things I've gotten hit with on those threads make my rejoineder exceedingly mild. Sorry if I caused offense.

All languages have a certain drift. Meanings can change over time. In just the last few decades, a liberal has changed into a socialist by the old meanings. Now imgaine the linguistic drift over 2000 years.

Unless your source knows the etymology of the hebrew language of course. Then an accurate translation "could" be attained.

I'd be interested to know what you find. Please feel free to Freepmail me if you like.

186 posted on 11/01/2002 6:38:16 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Dead Corpse
I asked a Sabra, someone who was born here and grew up in a kibutz. She said the word meant those who preform magic, they could use potions but the focus was on the magic not how they did it.

Makes no difference to me, I was just curious. She was suprised that I was trying to separate the two. It was not a unfamiliar word to her, I mentioned the scripture, she mentioned the word. It suprises me some times how much the average Israeli studies the Torah, and in deed how little they study the rest...
187 posted on 11/01/2002 6:52:26 AM PST by American in Israel
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
You haven't a clue what a Wiccan is, we don't even believe in your socalled Satan, let alone worship him.

Go find a toilet to spew your crap, because you are full of it.

Your christian intolerance is showing.
188 posted on 11/01/2002 7:50:50 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: Aric2000
They know this. Don't let them bait you. It makes some people feel more important to thump around and mindlessly bang their chests. Leave them to it. A good yardstick to use to determine if they just want to flame is the number of times they post off topic rants. A willingness to actually respond to your posts directly is another good one.

You'll only give yourself grey hairs trying to enlighten the trolls. Trust me, I know. ;-)

189 posted on 11/01/2002 8:49:53 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: H8DEMS
This is fine with me. Hopefully it will draw away all the homosexuals and atheists who have been seeking so ardently to destroy Boy Scouts.
190 posted on 11/01/2002 8:59:54 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Aric2000
This so called whacko group will NOT hurt children, MORON!!

Right. Whenever you put homosexual men in charge of teenage boys in close quarters, as in scouts, molestations will occur. They'll get thown out as you say, but it will be too late for the kids involved.

191 posted on 11/01/2002 9:04:17 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: OPS4
Hey OPS4, since you've mentioned it so frequently, albeit as subtext, but would you be so kind as to tell us what Christian Denomination is it that you belong to?

You referred earlier to "so-called Christian Denominations", so I assume that you believe your's to be the correct one, which one is it? Please be specific.

192 posted on 11/01/2002 9:34:54 PM PST by Lord_Baltar
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To: Lord_Baltar
Sorry It took so long to answer you I was off line.

I am a believer in the Messianic Judeo-Chrisitan Faith.
Some are called Messianic Jews or Jews for Jesus, or the synod of Christians and Jews!

God Bless You!
Ops4 God Bless America!
193 posted on 11/02/2002 8:52:30 AM PST by OPS4
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To: Dead Corpse
Prime #1 reason why I don't often associate with other Pagans.

If I was going to go Pagan, I'd at least make it something fun, like the Viking religion - lots of cool gods like Thor and Oden, and a life of pillage and drunken festivals.

194 posted on 11/02/2002 8:59:05 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Aric2000
You haven't a clue what a Wiccan is, we don't even believe in your socalled Satan, let alone worship him.

This is an honest question - I have read that the Wiccans have a diety they call the "horned god". He looks pretty satanish to me (from drawings) - could you elaborate on this?

195 posted on 11/02/2002 9:03:14 AM PST by Hacksaw
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To: H8DEMS
I've watched a few "wiccans" on tv. The females were fat, manless, and hairy-legged, and the males were D&D players who never grew up.
196 posted on 11/02/2002 9:07:25 AM PST by PatrioticAmerican
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To: H8DEMS
Contrary to the Boy Scout policy of excluding homosexuals - a policy upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court - the SpiralScouts welcomes homosexuals within its ranks. Davis explained that the Wiccan religion accommodates homosexuals because its philosophy is focused on the "balance of polarities" of that exist in nature.

Gee, ain't that special.....

197 posted on 11/02/2002 9:10:39 AM PST by freebilly
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To: H8DEMS
And all you "Christians" out there who kept saying how you "couldn't find anything wrong with the Harry Potter books..."

How do you feel NOW?!
198 posted on 11/02/2002 9:14:35 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: VRWC_minion
We are a Pagan alternative to existing youth scouting programs, welcoming boys and girls of all ages, backgrounds and faith traditions.

Just as long as none of those "faith traditions" are Christian....

199 posted on 11/02/2002 9:14:43 AM PST by freebilly
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To: H8DEMS
Someone needs to place a big millstone order...
200 posted on 11/02/2002 9:18:26 AM PST by Axenolith
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