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Wiccans Offer Alternative to Boy Scouts
CNSNews.com ^ | October 31, 2002 | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 10/31/2002 9:05:17 AM PST by H8DEMS

(CNSNews.com) - Frustrated by an unsuccessful campaign to achieve religious recognition from the Boy Scouts of America, a Seattle-based Wicca church has launched its own youth program, which is based on tolerance for different beliefs, including differences in sexual orientation.

SpiralScouts founder Pete 'Pathfinder' Davis believes that many of the things the Boy Scouts are doing are "socially inappropriate." He said he created to the SpiralScouts to "fill the void left by prejudicial treatment of other established children's programs."

Davis, who serves as the Archpriest of the Wiccan Aquarian Tabernacle Church, said his main argument with the BSA is that the group has refused to recognize Wicca as an acceptable form of worship, but at the same time, the BSA incorporates the symbols of myriad Christian denominations into its Religious Emblems program.

He said the Scouts rejected a Wicca badge that was designed and submitted by a well-known Wiccan priestess.

In 1999, Davis created the SpiralScouts as the Aquarian Tabernacle Church's "answer" to the Boy Scouts and other youth organizations that subscribe only to "traditional" faiths. Today, the SpiralScouts welcomes children of all ages (four and up) and backgrounds, including Wiccans, pagans, atheists and homosexuals.

Davis said practicing Wicca is not a mandatory activity for the 50 SpiralScout units currently operating across the U.S., Canada and Switzerland. Beyond fostering a respect for nature, it is up to each SpiralScout unit leader to decide whether they will teach children the principles and philosophy of the Wiccan religion.

The vast majority of the SpiralScout units are operated by Wiccan groups and churches, he said.

"When we started to formalize the program, we designed it in a fashion that it's oriented towards earth religion, but so is Scouting, whether they realize it or not," Davis said. Unlike the "pervasive" use of Christianity contained within the BSA, the SpiralScouts was created to accommodate the spiritual beliefs of any minority religious group, he said.

SpiralScouts describes itself as a work in progress. It says it offers children the opportunity to develop interpersonal and life skills and a pagan world view, in addition to learning "the usual handicrafts of scouting and woodland lore."

Boy Scouts dismiss rejection

According to BSA spokesman Gregg Shields, religious emblems are the property of approved religious scouting organizations and are awarded at their own discretion. For example, he said the National Catholic Council on Scouting and the National Jewish Committee on Scouting each have their own unique religious emblem.

"There is no national Wiccan organization," Shields said. "So, that's why there is no religious award for Wiccans."

He encouraged any Wiccan group that would like to charter a troop in their community to submit an application to their local BSA council for consideration.

Focus on tolerance

According to the SpiralScouts membership requirements, it is imperative that parents and leaders promote religious and cultural tolerance so their children may learn to co-exist with society as a whole. Specifically, the group encourages children to accept the "differing roles of male and female throughout nature and culture."

Contrary to the Boy Scout policy of excluding homosexuals - a policy upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court - the SpiralScouts welcomes homosexuals within its ranks. Davis explained that the Wiccan religion accommodates homosexuals because its philosophy is focused on the "balance of polarities" of that exist in nature.

For example, Davis said the SpiralScouts mandates that leaders of individual units should include both a male and a female. However, he said the rules are flexible because some adults, such as homosexuals, "believe themselves to be embodying masculine or feminine characteristics."

Davis believes that such a male/female balance of leadership ensures a SpiralScout's positive integration into the real world. "Children are not born with prejudices," he noted. "They have to learn prejudice and intolerance from others."

Defiance of 'extreme right'

According to the group's handbook, "SpiralScouts is something new, something perhaps of historic proportions for modern Paganism. It certainly will have an unmistakable impact on Pagan children growing up in this era of Christian extreme-right domination of our culture."

According to the SpiralScouts' interpretation of the pagan philosophy, children participating in the program will learn to honor "both the maleness and femaleness we all harbor within us," as the handbook put it. "Perhaps, if we are lucky, even a few parents who may need some brushing up on these same skills may reap benefits just from being there with the children while the kids learn these things."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: atheists; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; devil; homosexuals; satan; scouts; wiccans
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To: OPS4
aahhh.....Wiccans are not Satanists. Different club, different rules.

Its not that I mind mindless intolerance, just get the hate pointed in the right direction.
81 posted on 10/31/2002 11:52:16 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: TexVet
:-D Would you believe Iowa!?
82 posted on 10/31/2002 11:52:23 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: H8DEMS
Ummm. so. Last time I checked it was a free country. If the Wiccans want to form a group, let 'em form a group. so what.
83 posted on 10/31/2002 11:52:42 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Hunble
Nice to be seen. ;-)
84 posted on 10/31/2002 11:53:08 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: biblewonk
Give me a fricking break, it is obvious that you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Most male Wiccans that I know are happily married to a FEMALE, and have 2 or more children. I do know of some gay wiccans, but a majority? NOT by a long shot.

I believe that being gay is wrong, it is against nature, therefore if I do run across a gay pagan, I will normally keep my distance. but most Gay pagans do not spout it. They keep it in the closet, because it is no ones business but their own.
85 posted on 10/31/2002 11:53:14 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: biblewonk
Are you calling me a "homo"? My wife might be interested to hear that.
86 posted on 10/31/2002 11:54:11 AM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: biblewonk
I come across a male into wicca he's a homo

Thanks for that wisdom. I will tell my wife all about that tonight.

JimRob has requested that I do not talk about my religion of 30 years, and I will respect his wishes.

However, it is Halloween today, and I will address lies and slander if they are posted.

Fair?

87 posted on 10/31/2002 11:54:20 AM PST by Hunble
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To: OPS4
If a pagan wishes to be a Boy Scout and admits that they are pagan, they CANNOT join the boy scouts.

The boy scouts have EVERY right to do that, but Pagans have EVERY right to start their own groups if they feel that it will be advantageous to their children.

Therefore the Spiral Scouts are a wonderful idea as far as I am concerned. and if you do not understand the spiral, you need to do a bit more research into paganism.

88 posted on 10/31/2002 11:55:40 AM PST by Aric2000
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To: Dead Corpse
Nope, He was satans man.
I follow Jesus Christ and his teachings.

How about you?

Spellling? Gee I have not continued my research on him since about 15 years ago it was not fresh in my mind.

Ops4 God Bless America!
89 posted on 10/31/2002 11:57:10 AM PST by OPS4
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To: Aric2000
If a pagan wishes to be a Boy Scout and admits that they are pagan, they CANNOT join the boy scouts.

The Boy Scouts is a private organization and they can do what they wish. I absolutly support this position.

90 posted on 10/31/2002 11:57:58 AM PST by Hunble
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To: Aric2000
I understand that if someone wishes to accept alternative ways of seeking the truth,they can, but taking on the tried and true American Christian values of the Scouts and attacking them for it is no different.

So when the shoe is on the other foot you dont like it.

Ops4 God Bless america!
91 posted on 10/31/2002 12:01:03 PM PST by OPS4
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To: OPS4
Wow, I follow Jesus Christ and am Wicca also.

Amazing!

92 posted on 10/31/2002 12:01:28 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Hunble
If I remember my Order of the Arrow and Eagle scout stuff, much of it was based on Native American (Indian) culture and values. Respecting each other, loving the eart--that sort of stuff. I spent a couple of years getting booked to do Indian Dances at scout meetings. Decent pocket money for hopping around with a dress on.

Pretty pagan if you ask me.
93 posted on 10/31/2002 12:02:14 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: OPS4
Satanic values as outlined by Lavey and Crowley are the final destruction of mans free will and moral values,
with a final out come of men destroying each other like maggots! So Satan can devour their souls.



whatever.

BTW - You might want to read up on Pagan/Wiccan. They don't BELIEVE in Satan/Devil/whatever you want to call him, so it would REALLY be hard for them to worship him.....

94 posted on 10/31/2002 12:02:17 PM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: Aric2000
I believe that being gay is wrong, it is against nature, therefore if I do run across a gay pagan, I will normally keep my distance. but most Gay pagans do not spout it. They keep it in the closet, because it is no ones business but their own.

What's nature got to do with "An it harm none do thy own will"?

95 posted on 10/31/2002 12:02:39 PM PST by biblewonk
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To: TexVet
Your wisecrack was one of the most biggotted, uneducated, narrow minded comment I've seen on FR.

Damn, but that "counting to one" thing sure has got you stymied, hasn't it? Must be all those biggots distracting you.

I guess you and I haven't become acquainted yet, have we?

96 posted on 10/31/2002 12:03:35 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Hunble
That is great! I am Glad you follow Him, and have no strange gods before him. Is that Right?

Ops4 God Bless America!
97 posted on 10/31/2002 12:04:05 PM PST by OPS4
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To: Vermont Lt
Living and learning about nature is a good thing, no matter what religion you belong to.

Just remember what Ronald Regan said on another topic:

TRUST BUT VERIFY

Wise word, that I have always lived by.

Having been a Boy Scout, I do tend to get rather upset when they are attacked. Unfortunatly, that is not today's topic.

98 posted on 10/31/2002 12:05:54 PM PST by Hunble
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To: OPS4
Good for you. You seem happy with your religion. Now follow your books advice and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

You do realize that the whole "suffer not a witch to live" stuff is a translation error don't you? Original word meant "poisoner". Since "witches" made potions, and weren't exactly favorites of early Church fathers, they got pinned with it.

LeVay was just some ghoul that wanted a way to espouse a secular humanist (ie; Man is God) position in the most flamboyant way possible by utilizing the antithesis of the Christian religion. He even co-opted the inverted pentacle which was an old Temple of Solomon symbol for a "focus on the physical realm". Stirring the batter even further, he combined in some Babylonian mythology and called it the Sign of Baphomet.

15 years? Time for a refresher course.

99 posted on 10/31/2002 12:06:07 PM PST by Dead Corpse
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To: Dead Corpse
I haven't been to any coven meetings, maybe I'd meet more of you there. I certainly see a lot of wiccan web pages with hetero couples which is what I had hoped to meet and discuss spiritual things with. Just not finding any, until now maybe.
100 posted on 10/31/2002 12:06:37 PM PST by biblewonk
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