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NJ DEBATE2: Even More Lautenberg Incoherence, Prevarication and Nastiness
C-SPAN | 11-03-02 | Mia T

Posted on 11/03/2002 5:56:27 PM PST by Mia T

 

 

NEW JERSEY DEBATE2:

Even More Lautenberg Incoherence, Prevarication and Nastiness

 

 

Mia T, 11-03-02

 

It was a total rout.

The doddering old fool actually outdid his New Jersey Debate1 performance notwithstanding Gabe Pressman running interference after every Forrester Debate2 offensive.

Hard to believe but Lautenberg was even more ubiquitously incoherent, stumbling, bumbling, nasty, prevaricating and totally out of touch with the needs of the post-9/11 world.

All while Forrester performed flawlessly...

I cannot imagine anyone bothering to vote for this retrograde, venomous, senile relic...which means that the clinton-McAuliffe-DNC voter fraud machine will be working overtime in New Jersey... POLL WATCHERS ALERT!

 

 

 

 

clinton-McAuliffe-DNC CORRUPTING ELECTORAL PROCESS/UNDERMINING HOMELAND SECURITY

NEW JERSEY DEBATE: Incoherence and Prevarication Characterize Lautenberg's Performance

YOO-HOO Mrs. clinton: THE CLINTON RAPES ARE "UNBECOMING"

Torricelli-Lautenberg-DNC Switcheroo Scheme Not 1st Foray into Virtual Reality

après-ski: Frank's a no-show

See Frank run.

PLANE FACT


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: clintoncorruption; dncvoterfraud; lautenberg; sockpuppetterry; switcheroo; torricelli

1 posted on 11/03/2002 5:56:27 PM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Excellent post, as always.
2 posted on 11/03/2002 6:01:21 PM PST by denlittle
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To: Gail Wynand; looscannon; Lonesome in Massachussets; Freedom'sWorthIt; IVote2; Slyfox; Registered; ..
Q ERTY7 BUMP!
clinton-McAuliffe-DNC SYSTEMATICALLY CORRUPTING ALL ASPECTS OF ELECTORAL PROCESS
 
WHILE UNDERMINING HOMELAND SECURITY
 
WE MUST STOP IT NOW!

 

 

 

 

3 posted on 11/03/2002 6:03:55 PM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Its a shame Mia but it doesn't matter. He could be drooling and urinating down his leg and he would still win. NJ is gone.
4 posted on 11/03/2002 6:06:29 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Mia T
Thank you, Mia!

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5 posted on 11/03/2002 6:06:31 PM PST by Geezerette
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To: jwalsh07
It's over.
6 posted on 11/03/2002 6:08:03 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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To: Senator Pardek
The Damocrats could have put Chelsea in place of Lautenberg and the idiots in jersey would vote for her. It's the water
7 posted on 11/03/2002 6:11:19 PM PST by shadeaud
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To: jwalsh07; Senator Pardek


November 03, 2002

Lautenberg narrowly leads Forrester

 

 

By MICHAEL SYMONS

GANNETT STATE BUREAU

TRENTON -- New Jersey voters appear to be poised to return Democratic former Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg to the U.S. Senate for a fourth term, but only narrowly, according to results of a new Gannett New Jersey Poll.

Lautenberg, who served in the Senate from 1983 to 2001, leads Republican businessman Douglas Forrester, 42 percent to 37 percent. The margin grows to about 8 percentage points if voters who prefer a candidate, but haven't committed, are added.

The Gannett New Jersey Poll questioned 611 likely voters between Wednesday and 6 p.m. yesterday. The poll has a margin of error of 4 percentage points, meaning the 5-point difference falls within the error margin.

Lautenberg appears to have recovered the core Democratic voters -- inner-city residents targeted yesterday at a rally in Newark with former President Clinton, teachers and union members -- who were straying from the party a month ago.

"I'll be voting Democratic. I'm a union member, a member of Communications Workers of America, and they're strongly endorsing the Democrat," said Richard Brown, 35, of Roxbury, a Verizon field technician. "I'm a strong Democratic supporter." Republicans may have been in a fantastic position to win their first U.S. Senate race in New Jersey since 1972 if Sen. Robert G. Torricelli hadn't quit the race Sept. 30. A majority of Lautenberg's supporters said they wouldn't have voted for Torricelli.

Only 32 percent of the respondents who said they will vote for Lautenberg would have committed to supporting Torricelli. Seven percent backed Forrester, and 21 percent backed a third-party candidate. A whopping 25 percent said they'd have skipped the race.

"I was self-disenfranchised. The NJEA called, as they always do, and asked me to be supportive of Torricelli, and I just couldn't do it," said Joe Hartmann, a former Gibbsboro mayor and retired teacher and athletic director. "I felt I would be prostituting myself."

Hartmann, 71, said he would have written in Rep. Robert Andrews, D-N.J.

The stay-at-home statistic underscores why the state Democratic Party, which had backed Torricelli until the final days of his candidacy, finally pushed him aside: His unpopularity was threatening to hurt their House, county and local candidates down the ballot.

Gannett poll director Gary Deckelnick said the actual number of people who defected from the Democratic Party is probably not as high as polls show, but now that Torricelli is off the ballot, it is easy for those polled to say they would not have voted for him.

"There would have been some people who shut their eyes to Torricelli's name and simply voted Democratic to try to preserve the seat in the Senate," Deckelnick said. "But if only half of the people who say they would not have voted or would have voted for someone else meant it, the difference is significant."

Lautenberg was supported by 42 percent of those polled, and Forrester by 37 percent. Thirteen percent were undecided, 6 percent refused to answer, and 2 percent said they would vote for someone else.

Two Shore-area voters said they had made up their minds and did not plan to change them.

"Forrester," said Sandra Weston, 32, of Howell, who votes for Republicans more often than she votes for Democrats. "First of all, I was going to vote for him before Torricelli dropped out. Second of all, I don't agree as to why Torricelli dropped out of the race. He knew the rules ahead of time."

Likewise, Jo Costa, 73, a retiree living in Tuckerton, said she would vote Republican.

"I'm for Forrester," she said. "I believe in what he says. Mr. Torricelli was running, and I think he should have quit. Basically, I'm a conservative, and I would have voted for Forrester either way."

Forrester effectively drove Torricelli from the U.S. Senate with a relentless campaign focused on the incumbent's ethics. Torricelli insisted he didn't knowingly break Senate rules by taking gifts from a campaign donor, but a harsh reprimand ended his career.

Torricelli didn't quit the race until two weeks after the apparent deadline to change candidates on the November ballot. But the state Supreme Court ruled that Democrats could replace Torricelli to ensure voters could choose between the two major parties.

The decision put New Jersey Democrats in the eye of a national firestorm, even though the court ruling was based on 50 years of legal history in the state and nearly all the Supreme Court justices were appointed by Republican former Gov. Christie Whitman.

Nelson Hina, 37, a quality-assurance engineer who lives in Piscataway, said he will vote for Forrester only because Torricelli dropped out. Hina questioned why Democrats have turned to Lau-tenberg and former Vice Presi-dent Walter Mondale when late vacancies occurred.

"I may not have voted. The only reason I am voting is to make a statement against the Democratic Party's attempt to do what they're doing," said Hina, who usually votes GOP in state and federal races.

"It was tragic what happened out there in Minnesota, but I'm just wondering how come Democrats need to keep filling in with old names like Mondale and Lauten-berg," said Hina, referring to the plane crash last month that killed Sen. Paul Wellstone and led to Mondale's candidacy. "These guys have already retired, right? Don't they have any younger, fresher names? Why does the party have to rely on the old people?"

The Gannett poll found voters remain split over the Supreme Court decision. Forty-seven per-cent said the court should have permitted Democrats to name a new candidate, while 38 percent said Torricelli's name should have been kept on the ballot. "I didn't like what the Democrats did with Torricelli and putting in the new candidate at the last min-ute," said Vincent DeMaria, 61, of Peapack-Gladstone, a Forrester backer who owns an accounting business. "I don't believe the Su-preme Court had the right to do what they did. The law says more than 51 days, and it wasn't. It's as simple as that."

A computer with a database that includes all of the state's residen-tial phone numbers randomly gen-erated the numbers called. If the poll were done 20 times, the an-swers in 19 of those polls would be within 4 percentage points of the answers that would result if every adult in New Jersey had been called. The Gannett New Jersey daily newspapers are the Asbury Park Press, Courier News of Bridge-water, Courier-Post of Cherry Hill, The Daily Journal of Vine-land, Daily Record of Parsippany, Home News Tribune of East Brunswick and Ocean County Ob-server of Toms River.

 

 

 

Contact: Forrester 2002, Inc. | 3535 Quakerbridge Road | Suite 400 | Hamilton, NJ 08619 | 609.890.4699 tel | 609.890.9932 fax
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8 posted on 11/03/2002 6:24:46 PM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Miracles can happen, but Lautenberg has the large Jewish vote in Jersey, the large black vote, and of course, the congenitally demented old DemocRATs who pour out to vote DemocRATic every time any DemocRAT yells Social Security or says the word "gun".

I'm afraid the idiots in Jersey will elect that vile scumbag Lautenberg, who will then gracefully retire sometime early in his term, allowing McSleezy in Trenton to name his successor.

Both McSleezy and Lautenberg will have pulled one over on the Jersey electorate, but, guess what? They are so stupid they won't even know it!
9 posted on 11/03/2002 6:26:12 PM PST by ZULU
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To: ZULU
It appears that all of the negative stereotypes we all have of New Jersey remain true. There is a very good reason New Jersey vies with Arkansas in the popular imagination as the home of everthing tacky.
10 posted on 11/03/2002 6:44:17 PM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: Mia T
13% undecided + 6% refusing to answer = 19% that hasn't been tied down....that's a huge number.

Probably Lautenburg will win, but this is a race where anything can happen. Laut is the functional incumbent and only 42% will speak up for him....that's got to have the Dems worried.

11 posted on 11/03/2002 6:49:46 PM PST by cookcounty
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To: cookcounty
good point, but I would not go so far as to label the relic "functional." c ;)
12 posted on 11/03/2002 6:56:50 PM PST by Mia T
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To: ZULU
We should get a pool going on the "Stepping Down Due to Illness" dates on both Lautenberg and Mondale, if both idiots are elected. I know my pick would be <6 months.

That's what the deal was. "Just get us in the door, just get us past November 5, then we can cherry pick a successor. Do it for your party! And, uh, this suitcase filled with $1 million cash...what?...all right, all right, Sen. Lautenberg, $2 million, jeez."

13 posted on 11/03/2002 7:01:38 PM PST by Jhensy
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To: Mia T
It just doesn't matter!
It just doesn't matter!
It just doesn't matter!
It just doesn't matter!
It just doesn't matter!
It just doesn't matter!
14 posted on 11/03/2002 8:20:07 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: Mia T
Good morning. Thank you Mia....



********** VOTE FOR FORRESTER **********


have a great day (-:
15 posted on 11/04/2002 2:52:23 AM PST by firewalk
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To: BeforeISleep; All
 
 

Q ERTY7

 

Q ERTY6utter failure

 

Q ERTY3

Why we need honest, courageous leaders like FORRESTER

PING!

 

 
  

 

Sen. James Jeffords asserted on Vermont radio that rape was "a private matter."...

Senator Daniel Akaka of Hawaii told the weekly that "I've heard smatterings about the charges," but "I really haven't paid attention" to them.

Senator Joe Biden of Delaware said, "I guess Starr didn't think she was (credible) . . .I tend to be guided by Starr's judgment."

Senator John Breaux of Louisianna offered only "I have no comment.

Senator John Chafee of Rhode Island confessed that "I just haven't paid attention to it. There are certain things I just shut out."

Senator Peter Fitzgerald of Illinois said, "I don't see it as anything that is relevant at this moment to my job in the United States Senate.

Senator Charles Schumer of New York said, "I haven't looked at that . I'm working on Social Security and Health care."

Senator Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia said, "I'm beyond that, we've been through that."

Senator Ted Kennedy was asked about Broaddrick's charges while on a Washington escalator. Kennedy "made no verbal response..."

 

THE PRESIDENT IN THE ATTIC--WHO IS BILL CLINTON?

REASON Magazine* May, 1999

 
--a senator to Henry Hyde
 
 
It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope.
We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth,
and listen to the song of that siren
till she transforms us into beasts.
Is this the part of wise men,
engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty?
Are we disposed to be the number of those
who, having eyes, see not,
and having ears, hear not,
the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?
For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost,
I am willing to know the whole truth;
to know the worst, and to provide for it.
-----------------Patrick Henry
 
In a dark time, the eye begins to see.
----------------- Theodore Roethke
 
But even as Clinton fails to grasp the scandal's metabolism
he understands all too well its most significant byproduct.
You can see it in his eyes.
 
Once reflecting a Machiavellian confidence,
they now dart back and forth reflexively,
searching futilely for approval,
attempting desperately to dispel his own certain knowledge
that his moral authority is gone. . .
forever
----------------- Mia T


16 posted on 11/04/2002 3:55:30 AM PST by Mia T
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To: All
YOO-HOO Mrs. clinton:
THE CLINTON RAPES ARE

"UNBECOMING"

Q ERTY3

zipper-hoisted

PING!


17 posted on 11/04/2002 4:16:58 AM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
...one more day! & Bttt
18 posted on 11/04/2002 5:07:59 AM PST by firewalk
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To: BeforeISleep; All
FIGURATIVE DROOL
19 posted on 11/05/2002 6:35:32 AM PST by Mia T
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