TWA Flight 800 - Residue, Blasts Linked

Dayton Daily News ^ | Christopher Montgomery and Tim Tresslar

[MonroeDNA]

"One of the best ways to make things not explode is surround them with a conductive container, known as a Faraday cage "...

You mean, like an aluminum airframe?

[Nachum]

Hmmm, I wonder why the government confiscated all the rader tapes scanning the sky that night? Matter of fact, I wonder why they never showed the public the radar tapes to proove their theories?

[Solamente]

Yeah, right....

[Milwaukee_Guy]

"Kauffman said investigators found conductive residues on wires recovered from the TWA 800 accident site and also concluded that there was a low-power energy source on the plane that could have caused the ignition in the tank if it came into contact with the residues."

Oh, brother!

OK, let's say there is a defect in the center fuel tank of the 747. When are we going to take every last one out of service and rip out and replace the center fuel tank system?

Won't happen!

So after six years, it wasn't a missle (ya sure) and we are not going to fix the 747 fleet.

Can't have it both ways people!

Wouldn't it be simpler to just say we will never know what caused the flight 800 tragedy?

That won't work either. We need to bouy the confidence of the flying public and prop up the stock of a major aircraft manufacturer.

Can't have it three ways people!

Apparently there will never be an official cause and solution to this event.

Keep moving sheeple. Nothing to see here.........

[Asmodeus]

"I am skeptical. I live on Long Island. I know of someone who was a witness. I read the timeline. I am not convinced. I don't know how so many people could witness something, at seperate locations, and they are discounted."

Please keep in mind -

1. The importance of determing the facts before making allegations of fact.

2. The importance, when you have determined the facts, of saving the reference source URL's for them and routinely supporting your allegations by including the URL's for both the readers and yourselves.

3. The importance of keeping in mind that since 9/11 the flying public has been so apprehensive about flying that the resulting dropoff in their air travel has brought most United Stares airlines to the brink of bankruptcy, a situation that is obviously not helped by reckless, untenable allegations of airliner "shootdowns" or bombings.

4. The importance of keeping in mind that the United States is almost certainly on the brink of war with Iraq, perhaps even World War III, and that the credibility of President Bush can be damaged worldwide by reckless, untenable comments about the Flight 800 crash, the Flight 587 crash, the Oklahoma City bombing, etc., etc. alleging or implying the U.S. government is engaged in a "coverup of the truth" about any of them.

[timestax]

Hmmm, I wonder why the government confiscated all the rader tapes scanning the sky that night? Matter of fact, I wonder why they never showed the public the radar tapes to proove their theories? 22 posted on 11/07/2002 5:24 PM PST by Nachum [ Post Reply

And I also wonder too...and I wonder why James Kallstrom "morphed" the 25 knot speedboat into a helicopter. He didn't have to make up a big fib , BUT he did. I wonder why...

[Milwaukee_Guy]

"4. The importance of keeping in mind that the United States is almost certainly on the brink of war with Iraq, perhaps even World War III, and that the credibility of President Bush can be damaged worldwide by reckless, untenable comments about the Flight 800 crash, the Flight 587 crash, the Oklahoma City bombing, etc., etc. alleging or implying the U.S. government is engaged in a "coverup of the truth" about any of them."

Ok, we'll shut down this thread and any others you deem inappropriate.

Let us know when it's OK for us to speak our mind again.

You're in charge. Not! :-O

[MonroeDNA]

"LOL! They have spark plugs inside them, made not of non-conducting plastic but rather of non-conducting ceramic. Furthermore..."

Actually, spark plugs are designed to create, well, sparks, to ignite chambers filled with gas/air mixtures.

It is very hard to ignite a gas tank, though, because the vapor pressure of the gas drives out oxygen. You need Oxygen to burn or explode gas. If there is too much or too little Oxygen in the vapor, not much will happen.

Although I certainly do not recommend it, you can quickly drop a match in most any gas tank which has had gas in it awhile and nothing will happen. The match will go out. Not enough oxygen to ignite.

Jet fuel tanks are the same.

[hove]

C'mon Asmo....tell us all what you REALLY know......;>)

Then we'll all join in all of your little cover-ups. You know...so as to save the world from lost profits....or Armagedon. And hey...we won't tell....

[syriacus]

Good Ol' UD.

People associated with UD have made other mistakes.

UD honors Glenn with leadership award

Despite abortion voting record, Alumni Association honors former senator
Elizabeth Paes Managing Editor

John Glenn will receive the Leadership with Virtue Award on Sept. 20, whether some alumni like it or not.

In May, the UD National Alumni Association announced Glenn would receive its second Leadership with Virtue Award.

The selection of the former senator has been questioned because he is pro-choice.

He has publicly stated that he believes that in a free society the government has no right to dictate to any woman a decision about her pregnancy.

To many Catholics and those who are pro-life, any person whose political stance is not in this line of moral thinking cannot be a person of true virtue.

According to Jack Proud, a 1971 UD alumnus and co-chair of the Leadership with Virtue award, Glenn was chosen to receive the award because he fit the seven criteria set up by the alumni association: vision, communication, commitment, inclusion, service, emotional balance and integrity.

"Indeed, in light of the criteria, the selection of Glenn has had a particularly positive impact," wrote Proud in an op-ed: "What is the nature of virtue?"

"The award was established to help refocus our civic discussion on the nature of leadership and virtue in our increasingly pluralistic society. "The award is for leadership and lifelong commitment to the journey towards virtue, an award fittingly bestowed on this son of Ohio."

Glenn is considered a legend according to Dennis Marx, president of UD's National Alumni Association.

"He's a local personality with international presence," he said. "He's one of the greats in what's been called the Greatest Generation."

Students seem to agree Glenn is a good choice for the award because he is being judged for the award as a leader and American hero, not on his abortion voting record.

"John Glenn is a good choice since he's an American hero and his leadership qualities embodies that," said Shawn Karney, junior political science major. "Personally, I don't agree with his politics, but he is a good leader."

Jennifer Zielonko, a junior intervention specialist major who is pro-life agrees.

"Since he's not coming as a religious leader, I think he's an appropriate choice," she said. "It shouldn't matter because he won't be expressing views on that."

Glenn is originally from New Concord, Ohio, and has an impressive resume. He was a Marine fighter pilot in World War II and the Korean War and he set a transcontinental speed record in a 1957 flight from Los Angeles to New York.

Glenn was the first American to orbit the planet in 1962 and, in 1998, he contributed to research on aging and the effects of weightlessness when he returned to space as the oldest man ever to do so.

He was a Democratic Ohio senator for 24 years where he opposed the proliferation of nuclear weapons and supported increased federal aid for education and job-training programs.

He was considered for vice-president twice and even went for the presidential nomination once. He retired from the Senate in 1998.

[ErnBatavia]

I had to check this thread to see how long before the tinfoil crowd chimed in. Number 5 was actually 3 later than I'd guessed.

[MonroeDNA]

"Why am I not surprised at this comment. Typical. You don't know any of the people you are writing about, and are slandering them as dishonest. Shame on you.

He did not slander you at all. Methinks thou dost protest too much (Shakespear).

[GodBlessUSA]

I wrote I am not convinced. That is my opinion from what I have heard and read of this event and concerning the personal accounts of what people had seen.

I am not going to post all of the URL's of what I have read about this since 1996 to back-up my views.

I understand what you are saying about being concerned about the apprehensive flying public. However, since I was never convinced about what occurred on that fateful day and November of 2001 in Rockaway, I am very apprehensive.

I don't think this has become reckless. I don't think it underminds President Bush's credibility either. If anything, it does the opposite. This is addressing events that have occurred. I would rather go through life with my eyes open. I never said I was totally convinced of this being a missle. However, there is nothing totally credible that I have read to make me believe otherwise as well.

[syriacus]

UD

...hmmm

....I seem to remember a particular blunder when UD built an engineering center several decades ago.

The designers forgot to make the tiny, tiny doors of the new building large enough to bring in the big, big computers.

People can make mistakes when doing calculations.

[coloradan]

Yep, that will do it to. Though aluminum tends to oxidize with non-conductive aluminium oxide, otherwise known as sapphire, which is why there are special requirements for aluminum house wiring. Having a conductive layer makes it less likely to spark. But even so, the likelihood that a small spark ignited TWA 800's explosion is negligible, especially in light of all the witnesses and physical evidence pointing to a missile, Re: nose gear doors blown off, shrapnel in the bodies of victims, the gap in the FDR, fist-sized holes in the seat-backs of the first-class cabin, the arrangement of wreckage in the ocean, the FBI altering and disappearing evidence, the red residue, evasive explanations from the NTSB about its origin, and the selective and vindictive prosecution of James Sanders, etc.

[al baby]

no they put a thing called a spark plug inside to ignite it

[al baby]

no they put a thing called a spark plug inside to ignite it

[MonroeDNA]

What happened to the radar tape?

It somehow dissappeared.....

With all of the same ariframes flying today, why don't more sponteneously explode?

We all still airtravel, but nobody thinks of the airframe blowing up by itself. We are just sick of the shoe searches of grannies. Yeah, maybe it stopped, but anger lingers.

Nobody is not flying because of the threat of fuel tank explosions...that is too funny!

[LS]

And methinks you cannot read. I didn't say he slandered me. I said he slandered THEM. Likewise, do you know any of them? Thought not.

[Enough is ENOUGH]

"The university announced Thursday that residues that form in the presence of low-sulfur jet fuel, silver-coated surfaces and water conduct electricity and can ignite jet fuel when exposed to even low levels of electricity."

This is a very plausible explanation for the disaster. Although the fact that hundreds of eye witnesses observed a missile heading directly toward the plane it was dismissed as just one of those coincidences that complicates the explanation of the true cause of the disaster.