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TWA Flight 800 - Residue, Blasts Linked
Dayton Daily News ^ | Christopher Montgomery and Tim Tresslar

Posted on 11/07/2002 4:27:52 PM PST by Asmodeus

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To: LS
Don't get your knickers in a knot.
41 posted on 11/07/2002 5:53:06 PM PST by MonroeDNA
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To: coloradan
I would think that people would think twice about flying in or out of any city on the Eastern seaboard.
42 posted on 11/07/2002 5:53:57 PM PST by timestax
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To: Asmodeus
Maybe it would be better for the war effort if the government came clean with the people it wants to support the war.
43 posted on 11/07/2002 5:58:21 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: syriacus
U.S. Makes Drugs-For-Weapons Arrests U.S. authorities said the four suspects believed they were going to trade the money and cocaine for 9,000 AK-47s and other assault rifles; grenade launchers and nearly 300,000 grenades; 300 pistols; shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles; and about 53 million rounds of ammunition.

In the second case, three people are charged with trying to sell heroin and hashish to buy four shoulder-fired Stinger anti-aircraft missiles for the al-Qaida terror network. An indictment says the al-Qaida link was provided by the suspects themselves.

44 posted on 11/07/2002 5:59:58 PM PST by syriacus
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To: timestax
I would think that people would think twice about flying in or out of any city on the Eastern seaboard.

The airlines seem to change their air routes quite a bit.

45 posted on 11/07/2002 6:01:42 PM PST by syriacus
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To: LS
I can't wait for the conspiracy crowd to start accusing these fine people who work at UDRI as "government shills."

It is well-documented that any researcher who comes up with evidence disproving global warming will never get another NSF grant. A physics professor at my alma mater confided to me that whenever he applied for a grant he already had the research done and the paper written.

When an agency pays for research it is paying to get the results it wants. Someday when you get real job you'll see things differently.

46 posted on 11/07/2002 6:08:17 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Asmodeus
Airline bankruptcies, passenger fears, being at war with Iraq are all red herring arguments. They are classic logical fallacies - and classic disinformation tactics.

You apparently wish to discuss TWA 800, because you posted an article allegedly on the subject. But now you are trying to change the suhject as noted above. Why would you raise a topic only to try to divert attention from it? Other than for disinformation, I see no other reason.

47 posted on 11/07/2002 6:32:37 PM PST by coloradan
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To: coloradan
"the likelihood that a small spark ignited TWA 800's explosion is negligible, especially in light of all the witnesses and physical evidence pointing to a missile.

There aren't any "shootdown" witnesses, just some conspiracy theorist amateur witness report analysts. That's why there are no experienced trial lawyers among those making the "missile witnesses" allegations.

None of the "shootdown" conspiracy theorists' websites include a sequential timeline of the events and only Swordmaker has ever published one (here in FreeRepublic) but it is in irreconcilable conflict with the reports of the three Star "shootdown" witnesses. His effort can be reviewed in its entirety here. If you or any other "shootdown" conspiracy theorist believe you can prepare a sequential timeline that supports the "shootdown" notion, give it a try - and you'll find it can't be done.

Aside from that, TEN metallurgists found no evidence of a missile shootdown (or bomb) in the wreckage. Click here. Which is why there are no experienced trial lawyers among those making the "shootdown" allegations.

48 posted on 11/07/2002 6:49:43 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Paul Angelidies made a fine shootdown timeline, but his original drawing and description has been "lost" by the FBI.

As the Church Lady says, how convieeeeeenient.

Meanwhile, you ignore the other points I raised.

49 posted on 11/07/2002 6:54:06 PM PST by coloradan
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To: coloradan
For instance?
50 posted on 11/07/2002 7:37:38 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: MonroeDNA
"Jet fuel tanks are the same."

They are - when they're full or nearly topped off.

I recall reading - although I don't know where - that TWA800 was fully fueled only on the outboard tanks because it was traveling west to east and the jetstream allows fuel loading to be considerably less - meaning more capacity for revenue producing cargo/passengers.

On a flight I was on from HKG to LAX, we were loaded with 531 passengers and crew and at FL390, we took a tailwind of 200mph which briefly pushed the 747-400 to 702 cgs. The jetstream's assistance and company revenues are probable reasons TWA800's CFT was not topped off.

Unless copies of the fuel laden sheet is made public, we may never know just how much fuel was in the CFT, but I'd say, off-hand, less than 1/2 to 3/4 - which would hold ample space for the accumulation of oxidized fuel (vapor) to facilitate an explosion, esp. when heated and under pressure....

Regards,
Az

51 posted on 11/07/2002 7:49:28 PM PST by azhenfud
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To: Asmodeus
Aside from that, TEN metallurgists found no evidence of a missile shootdown (or bomb) in the wreckage.

It is simply amazing that you spew this stuff thinking that nobody will notice. When will you EVER give it up Asmodeus? What IS your intense interest in erasing history?

For some REAL facts concerning the metallurogical analysis, look at what the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAMAW) have to say...

From International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAMAW) Analysis and Recommendations Regarding TWA Flight 800


52 posted on 11/07/2002 8:00:20 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: coloradan
Paul Angelidies made a fine shootdown timeline, but his original drawing and description has been "lost" by the FBI.

Ah, but ARAP produced a witness recreation of what both witness Gipe and Angelides had seen..

Full 10 minute Streaming Video recreation of witnesses Gipe and Angelides view of the crash

53 posted on 11/07/2002 8:06:20 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: GodBlessUSA
My brother in law's father saw the missile, too, he was playing in a band on Long Island at the time, facing south I think from where he was, he told me he thought it was fireworks and wondered why only one appeare to go off with such a large fireball. He didnt know what he saw at all, he heard it on the news and added up what he saw with the news.
54 posted on 11/07/2002 8:08:53 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: MonroeDNA
Nobody is not flying because of the threat of fuel tank explosions...that is too funny!

Asmodeus makes a good comedian at times. I think he's actually a standup comic at night. He really needs to work on his punch lines though...

55 posted on 11/07/2002 8:09:25 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Asmodeus
The importance of keeping in mind that the United States is almost certainly on the brink of war with Iraq, perhaps even World War III, and that the credibility of President Bush can be damaged worldwide by reckless, untenable comments about the Flight 800 crash, the Flight 587 crash, the Oklahoma City bombing, etc., etc. alleging or implying the U.S. government is engaged in a "coverup of the truth" about any of them.

Perhaps we should all take a deep breath and ask ourselves whether it is better that we analyze what has happened and know the truth, or believe in falsehoods in order to assist someone start WWIII? WHY would we want a World War III? Have you ever been in combat? Do you think it would be a good thing? If ANYTHING, we should be looking into EVERY single nook and cranny in order to AVOID it, not pursue it.

There are MANY ways we could prevent terrorist from carrying out their acts of terror. One MAJOR problem we have is the policies that have been adopted that ENCOURAGE illegal aliens to enter our country on work visas. Many times, foreign companies apply for MANY more visas than they need. What exactly they do with these extra visas is anyone's guess, BUT, one wouldn't have to stretch very far in order to see that a visa on the blackmarket might be a very lucrative ticket into the US for a terrorist. Immigration laws are NOT enforced in relation to this problem. It is just asking for trouble, and it is curious that we have such a lack of enforcement when politicians clamour for "homeland security" and insist that war is the only solution.

56 posted on 11/07/2002 8:22:50 PM PST by FormerLurker
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To: Asmodeus
For instance your red herring arguments. You have repeatedly failed to answer objections of mine and I find it difficult to imagine you are suddenly interested in an honest discussion now. But to the extent I can show others your disinformation tactics, I will.
57 posted on 11/07/2002 8:26:07 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Asmodeus
You might try answering this post as well. Seems you are misrepresenting the truth (again).
58 posted on 11/07/2002 8:28:19 PM PST by coloradan
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To: FormerLurker; Rokke
Please cite your reference source URL for the readers, not all of whom are "shootdown" conspiracy theorists.
59 posted on 11/07/2002 8:32:30 PM PST by Asmodeus
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To: Asmodeus
Which is why there are no experienced trial lawyers among those making the "shootdown" allegations.

Hmmmm. Let me see. If it's an aircraft design flaw or an aircraft maintenance problem, our trial lawyer can bring a product liability suit or a negligence action and recover millions from the airline and/or aircraft manufacturer. If a missile shot the plane down, our trial lawyer gets nada from the airline and/or aircraft manufacturer, but he can sue the person firing the missile. Wonder which theory our trial lawyer will go with.

60 posted on 11/07/2002 8:32:45 PM PST by Gee Wally
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