Islam Perverted (The Islamists have got it wrong)

Australia/Israel Jewish Affairs Council ^ | October 2001 | Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi

[Angelus Errare]

Just thought I'd post this for discussion purposes.

Let the anti-Islamic remarks begin.

[LiteKeeper]

read later

[I still care]

bump for later reading.

[ConservativeMan55]

Islam breeds terrorism obviously.
Trying to distort it as anything but warmogering monsters would be deceitful.
Seeing as how there has been a constant "Jihad" or war going on against someone or something every second of every day since 1694 kind of makes me think thats all the religion is about...is...war.

[Dialup Llama]

>Let the anti-Islamic remarks begin.

Nice try trying to co-opt the thread. Just one question, if this is mainstream islam rather than Solmon Rushdie islam, what is this guy doing writing in Jewish newspaper in Australia? I mean if there is even a 3% chance this guy is within 10 miles of the islamic mainstream should not he be teaching in Pakistan or publishing in the Arab News?

The very circumstances of the publication is a clue that islam is NOT what he says it is- a religion of peace hijacked by a few extremists.

[vbmoneyspender]

Did you read the whole article. The author does not minimize the role of the Islamic extremists. In fact, he argues that 80% of all mosques in the West are controlled by extremist-related entities that are extremely dangerous because they are successfully propagandizing a whole generation of Moslems. The author also makes the point that these organizations are mainly funded by the Saudis who are attempting to export Wahhabism throughout the world

[ConservativeMan55]

I don't see a lot of Muslims standing up against our War Against Terrorism.
Also, when Jerry Falwell commented that he thought that Mohammad was a terrorist....there were riots in other countries, and people calling for his death...

[vbmoneyspender]

We would like to advise our government, our congressmen, that there is something big going on and people do not understand it. You have many mosques around the United States.... So the most dangerous things are going on in these mosques that have self appointed leaders throughout the United States. The extremist ideology makes them very active.

"We can say that they took over 80 percent of the mosques in the United States….This means that the ideology of extremism has been spread to 80 percent of the Muslim population, mostly the youth and the new generation."

Sheikh Kabbani is trying to show Westerners the reality behind the deceptive facade. The great majority of all mosques in democratic countries–not only in North America, but in most of western Europe as well–are controlled by extremists.

Looking at two organisations in specific, the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is a Muslim Brethren front organisation in the United States that lobbies against journalists and scholars who dare to write anything about Islam at variance with the Brethren’s Islamist agenda, such as advocating diversity in Islam. Notwithstanding CAIR’s evident connection to Hamas, it is accepted by the US government as a legitimate representative of the Muslim American community. Likewise, the American Muslim Council (AMC) is another branch of the Muslim Brethren. According to Khalid Duran, "The AMC’s most remarkable feat was to obtain the monopoly on the training of Muslim chaplains for the US Army (which is like Teheran entrusting the training of its Revolutionary Guards to the US Institute of Peace)." Thus, while non-Islamist Islamic organisations like the Association for Islamic Charitable Projects are more or less ignored by the US government, Muslim American soldiers receive spiritual assistance from Islamist chaplains.

[ConservativeMan55]

BOMBAY, India (AP) - Five people were killed Friday in Hindu-Muslim rioting and police gunfire after riots broke out during a general strike to protest the Rev. Jerry Falwell calling the founder of Islam a terrorist. Forty-seven others were injured.


The rioters attacked each other with knives and stones during the strike called to protest what Falwell said on CBS television early this month. Muslim organizations said Falwell's remarks were derogatory and blasphemous.

The conservative Baptist minister told the television network Islam's prophet "was a — a violent man, a man of war."

"Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses," Falwell said. "I think Muhammad set an opposite example."

Two Muslims and one Hindu were killed by police gunfire and one Muslim and Hindu died of stab wounds in Sholapur 225 miles south of Bombay, the capital of western Maharashtra state, said Kirpa Shankar, the junior home minister of Maharashtra state .

The trouble started when a group of Muslims took to the streets and were challenged by Hindus. Some rioters targeted shops, homes and vehicles, police said.

Falwell's remarks had triggered street protests in Indian-controlled Kashmir (news - web sites) on Monday.

[harbingr]

According to the following Link, Islam and the Koran are unredeemably anti-Christian... many quotes from the Koran are presented...

False Religion of Islam

excerpt:

"There is no possible compromise between biblical Christianity and Islam, and none should be sought"

[Dialup Llama]

Its just that how can he say he's got the real deal when physical jihad is so central to that religion. bin Laden is right. He has the real islam. The author, although very noble in his intentions, cannot really claim that the extremists are creating a distortion and which can be corrected by returning to the true islam. What the author is really suggesting is that islam should be remade in the image of a kind of genericized, neo-Christianity.

[Angelus Errare]

I would reply, but vbmoneyspender seems to have basically said what I was going to say, except on this point:

"The very circumstances of the publication is a clue that islam is NOT what he says it is- a religion of peace hijacked by a few extremists."

80% of the mosques in the West hardly strikes me as a few. He recognizes the problem, says that it isn't his brand of Islam (which, not surprisingly, he believes is the true one), and says that the Wahhabis have to be fought. Anything with that position in particular that you disagree with?

[ConservativeMan55]

Has nothing really to do with Fallwell...what it has to do with is Freedom of Speech.
Islamists believe Freedom is Speech against their leaders should be outlawed, and anyone speaking out against their leaders should be killed.

[Dialup Llama]

>President Bush already told fat falwell to shutup.

When Bush says 'religion of peace' he knows its BS. Especially when he as been played by muslin clerics visiting the White House in faux expression of unity, who were actually terrorist supporters according to their previous statements!

[Angelus Errare]

I followed the link you provided.

Look at the author's source index. It strikes me that these aren't going to be very favorable towards Islam. I would now like to ask you that if all Islam supports terrorism, name for me one Sunni Muslim terrorist group that isn't Wahhabi?

Think hard.

[Angelus Errare]

"bin Laden is right. He has the real islam. The author, although very noble in his intentions, cannot really claim that the extremists are creating a distortion and which can be corrected by returning to the true islam. What the author is really suggesting is that islam should be remade in the image of a kind of genericized, neo-Christianity."

Re-read the first two paragraphs of the article:

"Western observers, both among the general public and the media, commonly make the mistake of thinking that Islamism is the same as traditional Islam. Even Western researchers describe Islamism as a resurgence of traditional Islam. In contrast, moderate Sunni Muslims are characterised as those whose faith is mitigated, influenced by syncretism, or diluted by a certain amount of secularisation and Westernisation.

"But this turns reality upside-down. In fact, Islamists depart in important ways from the Islamic tradition. Indeed, some outstanding traditional Muslim scholars, such as Sheikh Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri and Sheikh Ahmad al-’Alawi, see Islamism as a symptom of secularisation and as a reshaping of their religion into a modern, ideological totalitarianism. It is this view that I myself share."