Islam Perverted (The Islamists have got it wrong)

Australia/Israel Jewish Affairs Council ^ | October 2001 | Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi

[ConservativeMan55]

The "extreme" Islamists or "radical" Islamists are merely following the Koran....
All Islam is wacky...but not all of them follow is strictly.

[ConservativeMan55]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/13/172833.shtml


JERRY FALWELL TARGETED FOR DEATH.

"I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I read enough by both Muslims and non-Muslims, [to decide] that he was a violent man, a man of war," Jerry Falwell said in a CBS interview last week. Now, Mohsen Shabestari, a representative of Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has fired back some rhetoric of his own, proclaiming, "The death of that man is a religious duty, but his case should not be tied to the Christian community." The upset and shaken conservative Baptist minister apologized Saturday:

[ConservativeMan55]

A Religion of Peace???
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/790045/posts

[Angelus Errare]

Are you somehow surprised that Iran would target Falwell?

In any case, the Iranians are Shi'ite, whereas al-Qaeda and 80% of Muslims worldwide are Sunni. So while Shabestari can say whatever he wants, most Muslims are going to regard whatever emanates from Tehran with about the same fervor as most Baptists regard the latest pontifications of the Mormon Prophet.

Just a comparison.

[SandfleaCSC]

Read the Torah real slow just once. What Falwell said about Moses is Bravo Sierra. Moses was a violent man, a man of war in the strictest biblical sense. He is said to have led a band of men through the Israelite camp shortly after being freed from the Egyptians. He caught them worshipping Baal and slew near 3,000 of them. For this and other atrocities, G-d would not allow Moses to set foot upon the promised land and forced him to lead the Israelites through the Sinai for 40 years. Moses died within site of the Holy Land as promised by G-d.

[SkyPilot]

Evil Islam and the False Prophet Muhammad"

[Dialup Llama]

>Anything with that position in particular that you disagree with?

To start with, The author writes:"Purpose: Qur’anic verses permitting military jihad (22:39-40) indicate that it is not a vehicle to expand Islam but to defend the rights of those who are persecuted because of their religion."

Total fantasy and an utter revision of history.

What is author is really proposing is creating a generic monotheism, influenced by western liberal traditions and Christianity while still preserving some outward, cultural practices- its not islam, never was. I'm not disagreeing with his goal. I hope its successful. Its just that what he is saying is not in the book and not in the history. Some muslims do say that jihad is spiritual struggle. Some of those muslim groups have institutionalized that view. They are the muslims who don't follow the Koran.

[Angelus Errare]

"A Religion of Peace???"

Most Palestinians are either Wahhabi or Shi'ite (in the case of the latter, they get their marching orders from Iran). Islamic Jihad is little more than a rather blatant front for Tehran, and most Palestinians know it, hence the size of the current celebration.

Also, the current demonstration in Gaza City is composed mostly of Shi'ites and is hence rather small by Palestinian standards. The Hamas rally after the Hebrew University bombing had like 10,000 people cheering.

[SandfleaCSC]

I hope not, I don't think Moses ever married. Although the Mohammedians regard him pretty highly in their beliefs. Must be something wrong with him.

[ConservativeMan55]

and your point is.......because certain Muslims cheered more over the death of innocents than others, you think the ones that didn't cheer as much are peaceful...sure right yeah!

[Angelus Errare]

How do I say this ...

The reason I posted this article was primarily because a number of people said that they were searching for Muslims who were ready to condemn all of the radicals, extremists, terrorists, true believers, or whatever else you want to call them. Here is an example of one who has the guts to talk about the true extent of the threat.

You want to regard his stuff as inconsistent with "real" Islam as defined by whatever standard you want to apply, that's fine. You want to believe Mohammed was evil, the Qu'ran teaches hate, that's fine. But here is one Muslim cleric who has the guts to stand up to the extremists and try to take back what he believes is the true essence of his religion.

You may disagree with him on the particulars, but I certainly don't begrudge him his goal.

[secretagent]

FYI

[Angelus Errare]

So exactly what would be needed to convince you that there are some peaceful Muslims out there who realistically understand the stranglehold the Wahhabis have on their religion?

[ConservativeMan55]

One Muslim stands up. Wonderful...His goal is fine...I agree with condemning radicals.
But by being a Muslim he himself is a radical.

[ConservativeMan55]

The entire religon of Islam is about war...I think thats part of the problem.

[Dialup Llama]

>So exactly what would be needed to convince you that there are some peaceful Muslims out there who realistically understand the stranglehold the Wahhabis have on their religion?

Something more than onesies, twosies. Is this view taught anywhere in the islamic world by people in authority? ....and I DO NOT mean recipients of the Nobel prize for liturature, columnists for western newspapers, apostates and faculty members at western universities.

[ellery]

The first half of this article was amazing -- bump for morning reading.

[Francohio]

Thanks for the post Angelus.

I and 100s of Millions of residents of Christendom shall sleep well tonight. It is obvious that the Sheik in your post is about to sway the 1.5 Billion or so Islamicists on the planet to do a 180 on the violence thing.

This is especially a relief to the Christians of East Timor and the Sudan. It is so obvious they won't have to look forward to forced conversion, mutilation, death and slavery. Allah the Merciful be Praised. As soon as the Albanians hear the sheik's words read to them in their mosques, they will cease their depredations in Kosovo and Macedonia. It's just going to be one big happy planet again, real soon.

Peace, Love, Woodstock, my Muslim Brothers. I just knew that the good news of Sheik Palazzi would let you all see the bright light of Muhammed's (May Peace Be Upon Him) true teaching after 14 centuries of having your collective head up an incontinent camel's nether passage. The slaughter, the slavery: they were just a mistaken interpretation of Qu'ran on the part of just a few "bad" Muslims ... I sorta "just knew" that must have been the case, 'cause you folks are really great guys!

I am so taken with the good sheik's brilliant précis of the true meaning of this wonderful religion of peace, that I am petitioning the Pope to allow this wonderful man to preach at St. Peter's in Rome! I understand April 1 is available.

[harbingr]

Here are additional sources for your perusal...(to obtain Links, enter islam and proceed)...

www.firstthings.com/menus/search.html

excerpt:

Islam claims to be anterior to the Peoples of the Book. It is claimed that, through the Koran, the Prophet restored the devine revelation that his Hebrew and Christian predecessors had falsified. The dispute with Christians and Jews is not over the interpretation of a common text; their text is rejected by Islam. Moreover, Islam's origins in the customs and values of the Arab Bedouins and of nomadic tribes have left it with the Jihad as the only way of relating to the non-Islamic world...