Uncle Ali: Palestinian Moslem, Gnostic, Nazi, Mentor and Friend

KNOW YOUR ENEMY WARNING: THE FOLLOWING POST IS INTENDED TO HIGHLIGHT THE LINK BETWEEN ISLAM, NAZISM and ISLAM'S ORIGIN WITHIN THE GNOSTIC-OCCULT HERESY

The author of this autobiography Holger Werner is clearly an occultist Neo-Nazi with radical Islamic roots and his views of history are evilly skewed by this fact. He praises as true the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" for example and the Arabs this month of Ramadan are airing that proven garbage as a multi part miniseries in the Arab world. Please remember I post this only to illuminate the threat to Western civilization posed by these groups and I hope my effort at an explanation for posting it is satisfactory

So then, what was his story? He, as I already mentioned, was born in Palestine where he also grew up. As a young man he had gone to Cairo, Egypt where he went to University to study German literature, language and Physics. Being a Moslem from birth, he developed a very strong interest in Sufism which led him to Gnosticism and the "Occult," such as Kabalism and other disciplines which I forgot. Being initiated into a group which he called "The Gnostic Brotherhood," he attained first hand knowledge of Gnosticism in Cairo. Of course, when he spoke to me about this, I had not even heard the words "Gnostic" and "Gnosticism." Thus, it is difficult to recollect in my mind the exact words he used or even the concepts of Gnosticism he explained to me so patiently. What I did get though is more of a broad base of my own perceptions of it and an opening of my understanding about how the world "functions." He spoke not only of the Spiritual level, but also how it intertwines with political ideas and our human existence here on earth. In the course of his "teachings" which he transmitted to me through lengthy conversations over a three year period, often interrupted by customers browsing through his books, his own life story was perhaps the most fascinating aspect I could grasp and remember.

Being a Gnostic "Germanophile" with the ability to speak and read the German language fluently, he was referred to the German "Abwehr," the Secret Service, operating in Cairo by one of his professors. Having made the mental connection of certain aspects of German National Socialism with Gnosticism and other spiritual disciplines, he was deeply intrigued by this political movement and eager to find out more. After a short time of meetings with agents, he was recruited and send to Berlin for training and indoctrination. I must mention here, that since the nazi era and everything connected to it was a "taboo" subject, at home and school, I had very little knowledge about it at age nine, when he first talked to me about it. But having seen pictures of "Hitler-Youth" in surviving albums and magazines, I was very intrigued and more than ready to learn more about it. To tell the truth, I was not only intrigued but fascinated to the point where I felt a pull and inner connection to this era which extends to this day. In other words, I felt drawn to it like a moth to the light. More than anything else, at such a young age, I loved the pageantry and marshal music which gave me goose-bumps of delight. At a later age, perhaps it was 1954, I went to a "Troedler Laden," a second hand store, owned by a big Jewish man with the name of "Levy" over the door, where I found a whole collection of brown colored "Telefunken" records with marshal music and songs of the nazi era. But that is way ahead of my story.

In Berlin, uncle Ali was trained and taught in everything connected to being a good spy for the "Abwehr" and he also was gradually introduced to high-ranking national socialists who had connections to Alfred Rosenberg and the SS branch known under the name "Ahnenerbe." It seems that he was just the man they wanted and needed in this scholarly branch of the SS. Thus he became an officer in the SS wearing civilian clothes and given the opportunity to attend the Ordensburg "Vogelsang" for further training. After he finished his training at "Vogelsang," he was sent to Bavaria to the Ordensburg "Sonthofen," for more training and eventually to another place in Bavaria, outside of Munich (I forgot the name of the town), for studies with the SS-branch "Ahnenerbe." In the course of his research there he met many important figures of the nazi elite. One of his close friends there was Wilfried von Owen and Otto Rahn. Wilfried von Owen was very interested in the teachings and history of Islam and the Islamic nations, which, of course, brought Ali with his Moslem background to his attention. He met Otto Rahn through his Gnostic research and articles which he wrote for the "Ahnenerbe." At the time I had never heard of Otto Rahn, but I remember distinctly uncle Ali talking about him with affection. He also showed me a book he had which was written by Otto Rahn titled "Lucifers Hofgesind in Europa," ( translated "Lucifer's Court in Europe"). Uncle Ali talked to me about Otto Rahn and the Cathars-Albigensians. It struck me then how serious and reverend he became when he talked about these "Johannite Gnostics" and how their teachings related to certain aspects of National Socialisism. Becoming slightly agitated he told me that there were various factions within the National Socialist movement who waged a bitter and hateful war from within for supremacy, and that the movement had come under the control of a faction allied with the big corporations and thus international Capitalism through the blunders of Adolf Hitler and the German Officers Corps which consisted mainly of "titled" aristocrats. The spiritual faction around Rudolf Hess and Carl Haushofer was not only in official disfavor, but completely powerless by 1938. Himmler's SS had risen gradually to a position of control with Himmler's perverse racist beliefs and pagan occultism infiltrating the government and power structure through denunciations and murder. He told me that it was Heinrich Himmler, more than anybody else, who had destroyed the socialist ideals of national socialism through his secret alliances with international corporations and his extreme and perverse racist ideology. It was Himmler, he said, who was really in control of the nazi government after 1938 and who allowed the corporate interests, who had once financed the movement, to control and direct all affairs of the State, like a secret government behind the official government. Hitler was completely under the thumb of these capitalist manipulators and feared for his life from Himmler's SS. In fact, the whole movement, everybody of the Third Reich's elite, knew what was going on but powerless to change what was happening because of their fear of Himmler's SS. Himmler, a ruthless, spineless bureaucrat, soulless and merciless, controlled everything and no one dared to resist his power.

Needless to say, uncle Ali despised the SS and Heinrich Himmler although he himself was an officer in the SS. He, when he realized that the SS had nothing to do with the ideals of national socialism and it's Gnostic roots, became completely disaffected. But knowing what his position was, especially as a Palestinian SS Officer, he was rightfully afraid for his life and thus remained in their ranks. He spoke to me extensively of the spiritual and socialist factions within the Third Reich and about their clandestine meetings to further their agenda in secret through a "brotherhood" network of like-minded officials in the government. Speaking of Otto Rahn, he told me how this gentle scholar and avowed Cathar hated and despised the SS and Himmler as well as the whole course the national socialist movement had taken. Being neither a racist nor a ruthless person by nature, Otto Rahn decided that he wanted as little as possible to do with the SS and the nazi movement and resigned his commission as an SS Officer after a forced stint at a Concentration camp ordered by Himmler to "toughen him up." When this gentle Cathar scholar realized where National Socialism was heading through betrayal from within, Otto Rahn decided to commit suicide in the surroundings of his beloved alpine mountains in 1939. Alfred Rosenberg, the author of "The myth of the twentieth century," once considered the official party philosopher, was also horrified by the course the National Socialist movement had taken, but chose to remain in his position hoping for a change in the power structure which, of course, never came about.

Heinrich Himmler, whom the population called by the derogatory name "Reichsheini," was in control until the end in 1945, when Hitler finally realized that Heinrich Himmler was his "Judas" and the ultimate cause of the collapse of the Third Reich. Too late did he finally realize that he had surrendered the ideals of National Socialism to his capitalist enemies with the by Himmler instigated and executed murder of his old party comrades in June 1934, of whom Ernst Rohm and Gregor Strasser are only two well known names out of hundreds. Too late did he realize, as the flaming inferno of Berlin and the advancing Soviet army, gave him no other choice than to commit suicide, that this non-entity of a man, this little bureaucrat had not only out-smarted him through lies secret manipulations and flattery, but also destroyed the German people as a nation and the future of European culture. Thus opening the gates wide to the eventual establishment of a One World Government by his capitalist "sponsors" behind the scenes.

Uncle Ali told me in so many words, that the atrocities committed by the SS in the "Einsatzgruppen" and the Concentration camps was all the work of Himmler and his influence over the whole movement. He said that Himmler was always on the secret payroll of powerful German and allied financial interests who used him to bring about the collapse of the National Socialist movement from within through outrageous racism and atrocities which would create a pretext, after Germany's collapse, for these atrocities to be used as an example and reminder, a warning, if you will, for the world to abandon any form of national identity in disgust and willingly submit to the establishment of an eventual One World government under the auspices of the United Nations which would later have to give way to the dictatorship of the One World Cabal.

Through his research, he told me, he had come to the definite conclusion that the "Protocols of Zion," were exactly what they claimed to be and that it was the outline of what has happened and what was going to happen. Naturally, I was much too young to understand everything he told me especially as I had never heard about the "Protocols," but his words are with me today as then in 1951 and I remember him telling me to get hold of them when I got bigger and read them very carefully as everything told there was going to happen in the near future. He especially admonished me to heed their implications and watch as a "neutral" bystander as everything would gradually unfold just as outlined and described in these "Protocols." No matter what is said about them and who said it, he said, if they deny the Protocols as forgery or nonsense, know that these people are either ignorant or part of the cabal.

In 1940 uncle Ali was asked to come to Berlin and become part of Goebbels' propaganda outreach to the middle east. He was to broadcast Arabic language commentaries and programs to the Arab world. This was done in a "half-hearted" and lackluster manner because of Zionist-Nazi cooperation with the aim to settle Palestine with Jewish refugees from Germany and Eastern Territories. He told me that he knew, from his contacts in the SS, that Zionists and the SS were working together as they had much in common as to their racist ideologies and worldview, and that the concentration camps were to serve as collection points for forced expulsion of Jews to Palestine, since the Zionists were painfully aware of the fact that most European Jews had no interest to settle there. At the same time Germany was also promising the "mufti" of Jerusalem support in the Palestinian cause. Thus Germany's dealings with Palestine were duplicitous and half-hearted. The SS under Himmler preferred the Khazar Zionists to the true Semites in the Arab countries and Palestine because of their similar racist-fascist ideologies. He also told me that the SS left the Jewish concentration camp inmates under Zionist rule and control by their own "capos" and that they were the ones who so harshly abused their fellow Jews. Of course, he said, that things gradually changed as the war progressed and resources and supplies dwindled because of Allied bombings and food as well as medical supplies became scarce. Diseases ravaged the camps and people began to die by the thousands. Also, Zionist groups in America and England were agitating against Germany which the German government perceived as duplicity. The fact is that, just as in National Socialism, the Zionist movement was splintered and split in opinion of how to bring about the planned nation of Israel on Palestinian territory. Eastern European Zionists were in favor of cooperation with German National Socialism, even to the point of willingness to fight with Germany during the second World War to insure German victory since Germany had promised, if not guaranteed, that Israel would be established for the Jews after the war was over. The Zionists in America and England had also reached agreements with the governments of the United States and England to establish Israel after the war and proposed to use concentration camp horrors as propagandized by the Allied powers to manipulate world wide sympathy for the establishment of a Jewish state on Palestinian soil. In the struggle between the various factions of the Zionist movement, it was the pro-Allied one which won, to the detriment of the German people who, to this day, have to pay emotionally and financially for it.

What can I reasonably conclude other than that you are white-supremist, historical revisionist?

No, Destro's not any of the above. But based on your conduct, one can reasonably conclude a whole lot about you, none of which you'd like to read. Keep digging that hole deeper, you must be getting close to China.

"THIS WHAT THE MUSLIM ENEMY THINKS AND WE SHOULD KNOW IT"

You are absolutely correct Destro.

Hiding our heads in the sand to believe only what we want to believe and to teach only our own version of events leads to neither an understanding of our enemies nor the context of the world we share with them.

Like all "versions" of events, there are things to learn in making ourselves aware of the "version" described in this article.

Anyone too weak, too lazy, or too fearful to pick through the ashes of another's twisted logic will remain forever buried by their own chosen version of events and therefore blind to whatever truth is real. To be sure, the story told in this article, and the perverted interpretation of events is wrong in the end. But along the way are tidbits and details that will never be learned in any other format. Some of these little tidbits are made no less true by the mere fact that Dan Rather would never report them and they are certainly no less true by the fact that they make us uncomfortable. Other details are certainly outright lies, but there is a valuable lesson in knowing what lies your enemy holds to be true.

The toughest part is determining which is which. Some people would rather not invest the effort and they might prefer to be told what to believe.

Hang in there and ignore those who would rather we listen only to their own version of events.

... But it does show that their is an ideological kinship within the Islam and the Nazis based on Gnosticisim ...
Hmmm. Once again I managed to scare you away from your stronger claim and back to your weaker claim, the claim of some vaue and nebulous link. (You must be very limber. Or does your neck hurt from all these sudden changes of position?)

Here is my point: the article you posted does not show this (whatever "this" happens to be at the moment, because your description of "this" keeps changing): it is pure fiction--fantasy, all of it, the fantasies of a foul and loathsome individual. To suggest otherwise is buy into the author's foul and loathsome claims. If you want to make such a case, find other, more historically verifiable, factual grounds.

"Accepting a link between these groups or belief systems--as you claim--means accepting the author's claims on their face"

and to deny that there was a link is to believe a lie.

To educate yourself and to attempt to educate others is always an effort to be praised. Education on topics such as this will never make one comfortable.

On this topic, comfort comes only by hiding and pretending to believe a fable. Personally, I'd prefer to know what the enemy believes and what the small facts are which those beliefs are based on.

"or simply admit that it was your intention to post white-power-identity propaganda on FR in the guise of an anti-Muslim rant"

I think possibly you're being just a bit too defensive on this point.

This statement looks to me like a case of projecting.

Thank you. I try and post from the enemies camp of late. The news we get is unreadable these days. The news does not even call al-Qaeda terrorists. It's like not calling Nazis evil butchers if WW2 was being fought now.

Americans voted in Republicans in record numbers because we have a war on we want to win, not a police action or a social problem that can be fixed with candy drops and third world hand outs.

We are facing an evil enemy with an evil belief system.

... I think possibly you're being just a bit too defensive on this point ...
Defensive? No. I have nothing to defend. The term you want is offensive, in this case. At the least scent of anti-semiticism, I generally assume full battle posture. If, when in my presence, you want to imply that the holocaust never happened, expect a fight.

"as it is but a string of detestable, racist, historical-revisionist lies etc."

Actually, I thought the article was an accounting of conversations told from a former Palestinian SS officer to his (then young) nephew.

The tone of the piece and the way it is told is from a purely personal experience, family history perspective and as such, all of the "facts" contained are subject to the personal perspective of both "Uncle Ali" and the the nephew who relates what was told years later.

This is nothing more than the recollections of how certain events were viewed from one man's perspective and being retold through old remembrances of his nephew.

Certainly this is not something any rational person would use to "revise" history and I think your overzealous attack is unwarranted.

"At the least scent of anti-semiticism, I generally assume full battle posture"

Precisely.

While I understand your positions, I believe that this 'battle posture' gets in the way of honest and rational debate.

To be sure, anti-semitism is evil and unjust. The holocaust happened to be sure. But in defense of those positions, you assume an attack from every possible direction. Quite often, there is no attack and fail to recognize when you're are among friends.

Relax a little. Please.

... This is nothing more than the recollections of how certain events were viewed from one man's perspective and being retold through old remembrances of his nephew ...
How is the genre of the discourse relevant? If it were the transcripts of scrawls on a mens room wall, would that change the substance of the claims made in the account? And would that change Destro's position with respect to those claims, given that he has admitted endorsing them? Answer: no, it wouldn't.

But here is the most important point: These are not recollections reported in Destro's article; they are simply lies--a recollection implies that there is something to recollect, only these events never happened because the Holocaust did happen, because what you call "recollections" recollect the haolocaust never happening, and for you to suggest that the author is "recollecting" anything is to buy into the author's point of view, and reveal yourself as a racist, historical revionist etc.

Read his homepage.

"Guerilla dialectician. Neo-grrr-nostic. Student of the corpus Hermeticum, the Latin Asclepius, and the Italian esoteric tradition (Bruno, Vico, Evola et al). Relentless pursuer of the Great Work, the ars regia.

Teacher of composition, professional writing, argument, text analysis, qualitative modes of inquiry.

Studier and researcher of the written word, text and conditions of textuality, visible language, symbols, symbol systems, symbolic processes, the glyph, the trace, the sign.

Sometimes anarchist. Sometimes crypto-monarchist. Stubborn reactionary. Radical traditionalist. Believer in human finitude and the limits of human consciousness: we are not the rational creatures we believe that we are. Believer in our dependence on culture, nation, and institution. Believer in the irreducible complexities of social reality, the mess and muddle of the human condition. Conservative in the sense that Spengler, Wittgenstein, Toynbee, Burke, D'Annunzio, Feyerabend, Evola et al are conservatives."

"for you to suggest that the author is "recollecting" anything is to buy into the author's point of view, and reveal yourself as a racist, historical revionist etc."

Excuse me?

Did you just call ME a racist based on the fact that I can read the ramblings of another without becoming furious at his misguided and incorrect beliefs?

Like I said previously, I think you need to relax a little. With an attitude like that, you certainly WILL see enemies under every rock.

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