Posted on 11/17/2002 3:47:17 AM PST by Destro
Want another link? FineI don't understand. Will a link somehow serve as an alibi for you to endorse the views of racists and historical revisionists? Please explain.
No, Destro's not any of the above. But based on your conduct, one can reasonably conclude a whole lot about you, none of which you'd like to read. Keep digging that hole deeper, you must be getting close to China.
You are absolutely correct Destro.
Hiding our heads in the sand to believe only what we want to believe and to teach only our own version of events leads to neither an understanding of our enemies nor the context of the world we share with them.
Like all "versions" of events, there are things to learn in making ourselves aware of the "version" described in this article.
Anyone too weak, too lazy, or too fearful to pick through the ashes of another's twisted logic will remain forever buried by their own chosen version of events and therefore blind to whatever truth is real. To be sure, the story told in this article, and the perverted interpretation of events is wrong in the end. But along the way are tidbits and details that will never be learned in any other format. Some of these little tidbits are made no less true by the mere fact that Dan Rather would never report them and they are certainly no less true by the fact that they make us uncomfortable. Other details are certainly outright lies, but there is a valuable lesson in knowing what lies your enemy holds to be true.
The toughest part is determining which is which. Some people would rather not invest the effort and they might prefer to be told what to believe.
Hang in there and ignore those who would rather we listen only to their own version of events.
Check out my link in #40.
... But it does show that their is an ideological kinship within the Islam and the Nazis based on Gnosticisim ...Hmmm. Once again I managed to scare you away from your stronger claim and back to your weaker claim, the claim of some vaue and nebulous link. (You must be very limber. Or does your neck hurt from all these sudden changes of position?)
and to deny that there was a link is to believe a lie.
To educate yourself and to attempt to educate others is always an effort to be praised. Education on topics such as this will never make one comfortable.
On this topic, comfort comes only by hiding and pretending to believe a fable. Personally, I'd prefer to know what the enemy believes and what the small facts are which those beliefs are based on.
I think possibly you're being just a bit too defensive on this point.
This statement looks to me like a case of projecting.
Americans voted in Republicans in record numbers because we have a war on we want to win, not a police action or a social problem that can be fixed with candy drops and third world hand outs.
We are facing an evil enemy with an evil belief system.
... and to deny that there was a link is to believe a lie ...I deny no links. In fact, I wrote precisely the opposite. What I deny is that the article Destro posted is evidence of one, or evidence of anything else, as it is but a string of detestable, racist, historical-revisionist lies etc.
... I think possibly you're being just a bit too defensive on this point ...Defensive? No. I have nothing to defend. The term you want is offensive, in this case. At the least scent of anti-semiticism, I generally assume full battle posture. If, when in my presence, you want to imply that the holocaust never happened, expect a fight.
Actually, I thought the article was an accounting of conversations told from a former Palestinian SS officer to his (then young) nephew.
The tone of the piece and the way it is told is from a purely personal experience, family history perspective and as such, all of the "facts" contained are subject to the personal perspective of both "Uncle Ali" and the the nephew who relates what was told years later.
This is nothing more than the recollections of how certain events were viewed from one man's perspective and being retold through old remembrances of his nephew.
Certainly this is not something any rational person would use to "revise" history and I think your overzealous attack is unwarranted.
Precisely.
While I understand your positions, I believe that this 'battle posture' gets in the way of honest and rational debate.
To be sure, anti-semitism is evil and unjust. The holocaust happened to be sure. But in defense of those positions, you assume an attack from every possible direction. Quite often, there is no attack and fail to recognize when you're are among friends.
Relax a little. Please.
Cheers,
Lloyd
... This is nothing more than the recollections of how certain events were viewed from one man's perspective and being retold through old remembrances of his nephew ...How is the genre of the discourse relevant? If it were the transcripts of scrawls on a mens room wall, would that change the substance of the claims made in the account? And would that change Destro's position with respect to those claims, given that he has admitted endorsing them? Answer: no, it wouldn't.
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Excuse me?
Did you just call ME a racist based on the fact that I can read the ramblings of another without becoming furious at his misguided and incorrect beliefs?
Like I said previously, I think you need to relax a little. With an attitude like that, you certainly WILL see enemies under every rock.
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