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Schools Ban Tag, Dodge Ball and Other Games
Foxnews.com ^ | Nov 19,2002 | The Associated Press

Posted on 11/19/2002 4:37:16 PM PST by winner3000

TRENTON, NJ-November 18, 2002 — Tag, dodge ball and other playground favorites are coming under more scrutiny at many New Jersey schools, as the threat of injuries and lawsuits spurs more districts to ban the games. In Long Hill, a ban on tag was part of a code of conduct signed by pupils at one of the Morris County district's elementary schools this year. Instead, a modified version of the game is played indoors with plenty of supervision.

"The idea of loosely running around and chasing each other is not safe," Long Hill Superintendent Arthur DiBenedetto told The Star-Ledger of Newark for Monday's editions.

In recent years, similar bans have been put in place at schools in Maplewood, North Caldwell and Woodbridge, mostly because children were being hurt when they fell or were piled on by classmates. However, many experts, parents and pupils claim the bans do more harm than good.

"We live in a society that makes kids so safe, ultimately, we'll put them in a cocoon," said Charles T. Kuntzleman, a University of Michigan professor of kinesiology, the study of exercise and body movement.

Tag is not the only game that has been targeted. Dodge ball, also known as bombardment, was banned at several schools in New Jersey and other states because officials feared that some students were being singled out as targets by bullies.

"There's potential for some victimization," said Mary Beth Klotz, a psychologist with the National Association of School Psychologists. "Tag may look OK socially, but it can be a double standard because kids can use it to bully a certain student."

(Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


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Liberals always want to "protect" children (except when they're in the womb) and improve their self-esteem. They improve their self-esteem by never telling them they are wrong, thus never teaching them right from wrong. The best way for a child to have self-esteem is through REAL accomplishments. In high school there are various ways of attaining accomplishments. It could be through social skills (being popular), physical skills (sports, dodgeball, tag...), through academics, or community/charitable activities. Taking away any of these activities because it might hurt the self-esteem of the kids who are not good at them discriminates against the kids who are wired to be good at them. By this logic, every single one of the activities I named above could be cancelled. We would then have taken away every opportunity for kids to excel and to have self-esteem.
1 posted on 11/19/2002 4:37:16 PM PST by winner3000
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To: winner3000
Freeze Tag was retarded.
2 posted on 11/19/2002 4:45:33 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: winner3000
The real agenda here is to hide the fact that one child is faster, stronger, or more athletically skilled than another.....in other words, to shield them from life.


3 posted on 11/19/2002 4:47:49 PM PST by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: winner3000
"The idea of loosely running around and chasing EACH OTHER is not safe," Long Hill Superintendent Arthur DiBenedetto told The Star-Ledger of Newark for Monday's editions."

It's chasing "one another" you dummmy.

Kids have been loosely running around and chasing ONE ANOTHER for decades. Now some overpaid school superintendent deems it's not safe anymore. No wonder kids hate school so much.

4 posted on 11/19/2002 4:51:12 PM PST by ladylib
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To: winner3000
Well, throw out that Army jingle: "Be all that you can be....in the Army" to "Be all that you self-esteem has taught you that you are in the Army"
5 posted on 11/19/2002 4:52:38 PM PST by KriegerGeist
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To: ladylib
We all need to pray that the Red Chinese never invade this mommified, sissified, supine country. There will be no one younger than 40 years old who knows how to hit or fight.
6 posted on 11/19/2002 4:53:23 PM PST by Jonathan
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To: winner3000
BRAVO!!! Absolutely, perfectly stated.
7 posted on 11/19/2002 4:53:24 PM PST by Puppage
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To: ladylib
Kids have been loosely running around and chasing ONE ANOTHER for decades thousand of years
8 posted on 11/19/2002 4:53:46 PM PST by 1redshirt
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To: winner3000
I agree, but does anyone really believe dodgeball is a sport? In my elementary school it was downright vicious. Why dont the PE programs focus more on teaching kids basic fitness and how to have a healthy body and lifestyle no matter what their athletic ability?
9 posted on 11/19/2002 4:54:17 PM PST by xeno
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To: ladylib
I'm amazed that I've lived to 40 without the "help" of these, dare I say, educators.
10 posted on 11/19/2002 4:55:23 PM PST by Puppage
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To: winner3000
I was hoping that the byline was from the Onion.

Sheesh.

5.56mm

11 posted on 11/19/2002 4:56:40 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: ladylib
but running around will increase the chance they will burn off some of those McDonald's calories and then they won't be fat and the other group won't have anything to complain about...thank goodness the schools here still let the kids run and rip on the playground.
12 posted on 11/19/2002 4:57:44 PM PST by cajun-jack
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To: Jonathan
We're going to go to war soon, like it or not. Who's going to fight for us? Let's hear it for war games on campus!
13 posted on 11/19/2002 4:58:45 PM PST by ladylib
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To: winner3000
What pure b.s. These are back door attempts by illustrious educators at banning competition in all forms. Nobody is allowed to excell in anything, PERIOD. Blaming fear of lawsuits is rich for this crowd of commies.
14 posted on 11/19/2002 5:00:05 PM PST by demkicker
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To: xeno
That's fine, but let kids who WANT to play dodge ball play dodge ball. I hated it myself when I was a kid.
15 posted on 11/19/2002 5:01:27 PM PST by ladylib
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To: xeno
Physical Fitness????? Our PE people teach our kids how to play checkers, Chinese checkers, chess, bowling, and minature golf at the middle school level.
While this goes on, our multi-million dollar gym sits idle.
This program actually has a name--" Lifetime Activities "
All the things WE did with mom and dad , instead of being parented by an institution.

16 posted on 11/19/2002 5:01:51 PM PST by Renegade
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To: 1redshirt
Thank you.
17 posted on 11/19/2002 5:02:52 PM PST by ladylib
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To: xeno
I agree, but does anyone really believe dodgeball is a sport?

It's more of a game than a sport. But then again, so is baseball. What's your point?

18 posted on 11/19/2002 5:04:10 PM PST by southern rock
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To: winner3000
Well, many school across the country have eliminated PE and banned recess entirely, because the principal wants to focus more time on reading, writing and math.

In addition, IMO, until parents agree to stop using the schools as a litigation playground, and parents are required to either waive their right to sue (unless the charge invoves sexual abuse), I think eventually all sports will eventually be prohibited in schools because the schools simply can not afford the cost of potential lawsuits.

BTW, did any of you know the following true fact?

If your child plays a contact sport, let's say - football - in high school or middle school or whatever, and, a kid on the team has HIV and knows he has HIV, and, that kid and your kid "contact" during such sport in a way so as your kid gets an open wound and mixes blood with the other kid, by federal law: you are not allowed to be informed that the other kid was HIV infected (and, your kid may now be too).

I was shocked when I learned this at the school district orientation session in the district where I now teach, and the other teachers in that training session (especially the men who are also fathers) were outright furious.

But, the nurse explained it this way, as she supports this federal law: If the school told you who was HIV infected, then, you'd watch out for "that" kid - but not another kid, who may well have HIV too and not even know it yet. Consequently, the law is designed in part to make you cautious of every kid (and to treat every blood/saliva exchanged injury as if there is a possibility your kid now has HIV).

BTW, I am not kidding around here, and my facts are right. After hearing this, I am not so sure I would ever allow a child of mine to play contact sports - the risk of getting an open wound and exchanging HIV-infected blood or saliva seems to me too big of a risk.
And, under federal law, the school is not allowed to tell you if they know half the team is already HIV infected.

I feel sorry for anyone who is sick with any illness, including HIV, but I must tell you, when we heard about this law and the risks involved now with kids playing contact sports, it was clear some teachers/parents were on their way to pull their kids out of those sports right after the orientation session.
19 posted on 11/19/2002 5:08:37 PM PST by summer
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To: winner3000
My favorite game at school was King of the Mountain... Played on the snow/ice piles the plows left on the edge of the parking lot. Lots of shoving, kicking, sliding and falling down.
20 posted on 11/19/2002 5:08:50 PM PST by laker_dad
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To: Republic If You Can Keep It
Geez, when I was a kid in Brooklyn, we played a school yard game called "Hide the Belt". Someone would hide a belt and declare a home base. Everyone would go looking for the belt. The person would found it could beat the living sh*t out of any and all until they found sanctuary at home base.
Now that was a game that helped turn boys into men.
21 posted on 11/19/2002 5:10:12 PM PST by orfisher
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To: hole_n_one; Republic If You Can Keep It; Jonathan; 1redshirt; xeno; Puppage; M Kehoe; cajun-jack; ..
FYI, see my post #19 re a federal law, contact sports, HIV infected kids, and other kids.
22 posted on 11/19/2002 5:11:29 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Home school. Obviously, the public schools are too dangerous to attend.
23 posted on 11/19/2002 5:11:40 PM PST by ladylib
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To: Geist Krieger
See post #19.
24 posted on 11/19/2002 5:11:57 PM PST by summer
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To: ladylib
RE your post #23 - Now, here's the thing: the teacher/father who was furious had homeschool on his mind too, but the nurse told him: the same federal law and situation applies to sports teams outside of public schools, in the communities, frequented by: homeschoolers.
In short -- there's no escaping it. Some kids on those teams will be HIV infected as well.
25 posted on 11/19/2002 5:13:22 PM PST by summer
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To: laker_dad
And I fondly remember Crack the Whip on the skating rink, especially when the big guys took the lead.
26 posted on 11/19/2002 5:14:53 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: ladylib
Actually, she may have said the federal law of not being allowed to disclose who is infected does not apply there; I can't recall. But, she did make the point that the same sitation - the risk of HIV - exists for your kid playing contact sports anywhere, even a homeschooled kid on Little League who runs into another kid and both are bloodied.
27 posted on 11/19/2002 5:15:19 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
If this is the case, then the law HAS TO BE CHANGED!
28 posted on 11/19/2002 5:17:40 PM PST by ladylib
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To: ladylib
No, according to the nurse - this is the best possible law, because: you must be aware of EVERY kid, AND, the way HIV develops over time, it is actually impossible to "inform" you who has HIV because many kids (and their parents) don't know the kid has HIV. Believe me, this became a heated discussion, but in the end, I agreed with the nurse, even though my reaction at first was the same as yours. How can they tell you if they don't even know about some kids (because some kids don't even know)?
29 posted on 11/19/2002 5:19:31 PM PST by summer
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To: ladylib; NautiNurse
PS It was very heated between the teachers/fathers and this nurse. I just listened. The nurse was very intelligent and argued her point well by giving facts about how the disease develops. NautiNurse, see post #19 - any comments?
30 posted on 11/19/2002 5:20:45 PM PST by summer
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To: winner3000
...now a word from the Simpsons...

At school, it's recess time. Three uniformed children bounce a ball in unison. Six children swing slowly in unison on a swingset.

Todd: [without enthusiasm] You're "it".

[touches Lisa]

Lisa: [to Milhouse] Now you are the one who is "it".

Milhouse: [looking down] Understood.

Chalmers: Well, I've got to hand it to you, Seymour: these drab student coverings have created the perfect distraction-free environment, thus preparing the children for permanent positions in tomorrow's mills and processing facilities. Hah! Best of all, with less than a minute to go before I leave, absolutely nothing has gone wrong --

31 posted on 11/19/2002 5:22:50 PM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: winner3000
Ya gotta admit, tag and dodgeball can get a little rough in public schools where 5th graders are 18-years-old and can go 6'4" and 235#.
32 posted on 11/19/2002 5:23:10 PM PST by Willie Green
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To: Jonathan
40!? I would say 30! We had dodge ball and tag. I was horrible at all kinds of sports and kept hearing from the other girls, "What if your husband wants you to play football some day." He never has asked for some reason.
I still say if the kids want to play tag and dodge ball, let them play tag and dodge ball. Sheesh! And they say homeschooled kids are sheltered.
33 posted on 11/19/2002 5:27:10 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: summer
How does the average kid get aids? How could a parent not know if her child has aids? Children go for physicals. Wouldn't a doctor inform a parent if her child has aids?

I think that it would be a very rare thing for a child to have aids and the child and his parents not know it. In fact, I would think that the incidence would be so miniscule that you couldn't waste time worrying about it. You can't worry about every little thing in this world. If you did, you would be paralyzed -- you'd never leave your house.

Now, of course, if the parents know that their child has aids and permits him to play contact sports, couldn't they be held liable if their child infected another child? A prostitute is held liable if she knowingly infects a john with aids. Anyone could be held liable if the knowingly infect their partner with aids.
34 posted on 11/19/2002 5:34:06 PM PST by ladylib
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To: winner3000
I think you're all a bunch of poopie-heads- you're mean and don't care about my feeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

I sent the following in support of this brave man...

Dear Mr. DiBenedetto-

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Finally, someone has stood up to the tag nazis. You're absolutely right, of course- running around, -CHASING EACH OTHER-with no supervision is an insane activity to suggest for children, particularly if they're not even wearing protective equipment!!

For that matter even with protective equipment, the children run the risk of running improperly, and twisting a joint, or falling down and getting a scrape. This is actually a matter of life and death, as recent fatalities from bacteria, which are antibiotic resistant because of the non-vegan death diet of this culture which floods cattle with anti-biotics, have shown.

Also, "tag" is nothing more than murder practice, and is almost as bad as letting children play with "toy" guns. Tag recapitulates the predator/prey role we are expect to play in this capitalist society. Tag teaches children it's okay to be chased, that it's okay to be hunted. Tag teaches children the only way to prevail is to turn around and become a predacious hunter yourself.

Also, since little boys are more aggressive and usually win these so-called "games" of tag, and girls lose, the boys are taught they should chase girls, which beyond the whole rape issue reinforces heterosexist hegemony and oppression and will lead to eating disorders among girls, and hundreds of thousands of suicides among gay/lesbian/bisexual/transgendered youth.

There are many alternatives to this dangerous and scary running around sort of behavior. Activities like finger shadow-puppetry are exciting, and provide good excercise for the hands and wrists. Of course if a differently sighted child, or one who does not have hands is present, a different activity should be chosen so as not to exclude them. And care should be taken that the children are properly supervised, and do not attempt to transition from one form to another too quickly, and that they do proper warm up excercises first.

I salute you for your effort to bring reason and logic to bear on this long ignored, disgraceful, and highly dangerous activity. Is it any coincidence the letters in "tag" can stand for Terror, Aggression, Greed?

I think not.

35 posted on 11/19/2002 5:37:42 PM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: ladylib
You're welcome :<]
36 posted on 11/19/2002 5:38:36 PM PST by 1redshirt
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To: winner3000
This is too much. Seems to me, and I'm sure there's some occupational therapists that would agree, that tag contributes a lot to a kids physical development. Its a natural game to play for recreation. Even slower kids can build theirselves up by playing.
38 posted on 11/19/2002 5:47:16 PM PST by DaGman
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To: summer
Sorry, but me thinks you are over reacting about this.
39 posted on 11/19/2002 5:48:08 PM PST by demkicker
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To: fourdeuce82d
Very nice. You could write for the "Onion."

40 posted on 11/19/2002 5:50:30 PM PST by ladylib
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To: fourdeuce82d
All I see is a downward spiral for these kids into Ritalin.

They are children. If they don't get to run around every now and then, then that might lead to inatentiveness( is that a word?).

41 posted on 11/19/2002 5:53:42 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: demkicker
LOL....really? Why do you think that? Are in favor of more people getting infected with HIV? Especially your own son?
42 posted on 11/19/2002 5:58:50 PM PST by summer
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To: ladylib; demkicker
if the parents know that their child has aids and permits him to play contact sports, couldn't they be held liable if their child infected another child?

Well, to me, that leads to this question: Why does the school district allow it, if the school district knows? I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know the answer. I would guess it has to do with a claim of discrimination, if the child was not allowed to play.

But, in response to your claim that this must be only a tiny percentage of kids - not so. We were thinking this nurse was talking about maybe one or two kids, but her response was an emphatic "You would be surprised how many kids have it - in this district, which is not an unusual district." I think she said it is in the high school age group where HIV rates are rising fastest. So - the youngest kids are getting it, and according to the nurse, black female teens have the highest rate of increase.

And, yes, I agree there is risk in everything - but I also think it is a fact we live in a different type of world now, in many ways. This is yet another major change.

BTW, it is not unusual at for a kid in a fight to spit at another kid -- and if the saliva lands on an open would, well, another risk in this new world. Spitting didn't always involve the potential of a life-long fatal illness. Years ago, spitting was just spitting. But, not any more.
43 posted on 11/19/2002 6:06:36 PM PST by summer
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I meant: BTW, it is not unusual at all for a kid in a fight to spit at another kid -- and if the saliva lands on an open wound,..
44 posted on 11/19/2002 6:09:37 PM PST by summer
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To: summer
Okay, then THE LAW HAS TO BE CHANGED, especially if the nurse knows that a lot of kids have it.
45 posted on 11/19/2002 6:16:35 PM PST by ladylib
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To: laker_dad
We played a game called "Buck-Buck" a few times in high school, usually when the class was misbehaving. Anyone who has played that "game" will know what I mean when I say it took about two weeks to recover from it.
46 posted on 11/19/2002 6:18:28 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: summer
But, the nurse explained it this way, as she supports this federal law: If the school told you who was HIV infected, then, you'd watch out for "that" kid - but not another kid, who may well have HIV too and not even know it yet.

You know, that sounds a lot like the rules for a game of Tag. "That" kid is It and everyone tries to stay away from It.

-PJ

47 posted on 11/19/2002 6:21:38 PM PST by Political Junkie Too
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To: laker_dad
I enjoyed a version of dodgeball, that we called slaughter ball. Smear the Queer was played at times too. Tackle football was banned during our recess, but we could play a game called "tackle box." It tended to be much rougher than football.
48 posted on 11/19/2002 6:37:36 PM PST by bat1816
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To: summer
I am out of town until Wed. night. Will review and respond when I can give this issue the time and attention it deserves.

Summer, thanks for the ping!

49 posted on 11/19/2002 6:46:20 PM PST by NautiNurse
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To: winner3000; jla; MadIvan
Liberals always want to "protect" children (except when they're in the womb) and improve their self-esteem. They improve their self-esteem by never telling them they are wrong, thus never teaching them right from wrong. The best way for a child to have self-esteem is through REAL accomplishments.

Oh isn't THAT the truth!!!! I came from a very working class family, where both my parents worked hard for us, and had little time to think of our 'self esteem' once we were fed, watered, and clothed.

I would come in crying after something that happened in school, and Mam would hug me, dust me down, and send me right back out again to either 'fight' the one who hit me first, or say `sorry to your friend'.

I was useless at sports in school. I was an above average academic though. And a very talented singer, guitar player, actress.

I found my own niche. Without my parents interfering I wormed my way onto the senior students council, was on every organisational body in school and came out with a high enough grade average to get me one of 28 college places in a school that had over 3,000 applicants. I am now a full time working journalist. My brother, who was only interested in academics and athletics, too earned himself a college degree, and is now an accountant.

BOTH of us played tag. Both of us were embarrassed as children because at one point we lived in a house with no bathroom, and only an outside toilet. And I slept at the end of my parents room until I was 18, because they could only afford a two bedroomed house, and the girl couldn't sleep in with the boy etc. etc. et al.

But my self respect seems pretty good now, 12 years on.

I think a lot of love (from home), and being taught to learn respect and right from wrong goes a LONG way towards self esteem :-)

Of course the libs are too busy trying to find a 'programme' to help them help themselves, that they can't find the truth of the only person to help you ultimately is yourself. (As me Mam used to say to me..'Yer best friends in life will be ME and yer own pocket' *LOL*

50 posted on 11/19/2002 6:49:13 PM PST by Happygal
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