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Thirty-nine years after JFK's assassination...
St Paul Pioneer (de)Press ^ | 11/21/02 | MARIANNE MEANS

Posted on 11/21/2002 7:31:34 AM PST by Valin

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To: Jim Noble
I hate to get this started again, but the solution was determined in 1963. Lee Harvey Oswald did it. All the "evidence" to the contrary is distortion or simply made up.
21 posted on 11/21/2002 9:17:42 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Valin
I'd go further back to Truman personally.
22 posted on 11/21/2002 9:20:13 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Valin
Oh, yeah. That explains the release of the details of JFK's daily meds a couple days ago.

"It's Nov 22 coming up, let's do a JFK story. Something to tarnish his image a little."

23 posted on 11/21/2002 9:25:01 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: SoCal Pubbie
"They know him only from the vast distance of time, his image distorted by slanderous movies, wild-eyed conspiracy theories and other mindless claptrap peddled by hucksters out to make money or earn notoriety.

This is a pretty good line in the article.

I was at Dealy Plaza a couple of months ago and plan on going tomorrow to watch the tin hat crowd. One of the shysters there has side by side pictures from the Oliver Stone movie and the Zapruder film. The photos show direct opposite wounds on Kennedy.

The peddlers at Dealy Plaza are no different than shell game operators.

24 posted on 11/21/2002 9:37:19 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Jim Noble
Motivation is not the key. The first action an investigator should do is find out how the murder was committed. After you find out how it was done, then you can pinpoint who was at that origin to cause the death.
25 posted on 11/21/2002 9:40:53 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: Valin
Kennedys: Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't golf, can't publish a magazine, can't govern, can't keep hands off babysitters....
26 posted on 11/21/2002 9:45:32 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: cubreporter
....However, the rest of the family could have done great things for this country and stood tall doing all they could to keep that shine on the Kennedy name.

In retrospect, it seems that John and Robert were rather conservative, not the liberals they were portrayed as and as LBJ actually was. However, the rest of the family seems to have bought into the standard liberal, socialist, Democrat mantra of extreme leftwing policies. That was their demise and is now the death knell for the entire Democrat Party.

27 posted on 11/21/2002 9:45:55 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: cubreporter
I was disappointed, sad and disgusted with the behaviors of the remaining Kennedys whose antics and arrogant mentality constantly made the headlines in the most negative ways.

It seems that you still cannot get over his death. If the family is started, run, and controlled by a lecherous man, a womanizaer with no respect for any oath, a bootlegger dealing with the Mafia to get his fortune, what do you think the children and grandchildren will be like? The Kennedys are and have always been a blight upon this country. The only thing I give JFK, Jr., credit for is that I honestly believe he never planned to run for any political office. I think he realized his vast limitations and decided to live off his riches vice the American taxpayer.

28 posted on 11/21/2002 9:52:54 AM PST by 7thson
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To: Shooter 2.5
>>Motivation is not the key<<

I disagree.

Whoever killed JFK has been able to sustain a decades-long coverup. My understanding of human nature suggests that the inner circle believed then, and still believes today, that they did the right thing.

Why they believe this may hold some clues as to who they are.

29 posted on 11/21/2002 9:59:35 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble
I am fascinated by the case, and I think motive is the key to the solution.

I will suggest a motive or two:

LBJ - Power. He was relentless in his quest for power and control and was willing to use any means. JFK would have served eight years and Robert eight after that. By then, it would have been too late for LBJ. He was also a buddy of J. Edgar Hoover with them often sharing whiskey late into the night and regaling each other with seccrets about other politicians, including the Kennedys. Robert, as Attorney General had little respect for Hoover and, as his boss, ordered him around.

The Mafia - After assuring his election by stealing votes in Chicago they felt JFK owed them something. Instead Robert went afer them hammer and tong.

Mafia, LBJ, FBI - The word on the street about Robert was "Kill the head (JFK) and the body (RFK) will die" in concern about Robert's pursuit of the Mafia. Further support for their mutual interests was the death of Robert after he won the Democrat primary in CA in 1954 and said, "Now on to Chicago." He was then a real threat to them all.

Now there is your motive. Did that lead to the deaths of the Kennedys? I report, you decide.

30 posted on 11/21/2002 10:01:41 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: 7thson
Am over his death...just can't understand how so many people who are given so very much just continue to abuse their blessiings. Boggles my mind.
31 posted on 11/21/2002 10:04:47 AM PST by cubreporter
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Agreed!
32 posted on 11/21/2002 10:06:45 AM PST by cubreporter
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To: SoCal Pubbie
I hate to get this started again, but the solution was determined in 1963. Lee Harvey Oswald did it. All the "evidence" to the contrary is distortion or simply made up.

I can refute the "solution" in two words: Magic Bullet
33 posted on 11/21/2002 10:08:48 AM PST by BlueMondaySkipper
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Power for LBJ and revenge for the Mafia are two good guesses.
34 posted on 11/21/2002 10:14:19 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Valin
... with Sen. Strom Thurmond's retirement, he is now the third-longest serving senator.

That's appropriate, since Teddy is such a dinosaur, but who's been in there longer than he has? Byrd? Who else?

35 posted on 11/21/2002 10:16:07 AM PST by x
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To: Jim Noble
Whoever killed JFK has been able to sustain a decades-long coverup. My understanding of human nature suggests that the inner circle believed then, and still believes today, that they did the right thing.

Why they believe this may hold some clues as to who they are.

When you consider that the left has had control of the Democrat Party and the media since the early 1900s you can get a good handle on this. LBJ, and later Carter and Clinton, were determined to carry Roosevelt's leftist plans for a socialist America through to fruition. Each step along the way they have had the benefit of the leftist media as their propaganda machine and as their cover.

It seems that John and Robert, despite their background, were not actually who the left thought they were. They each had a conservative leaning and a fierce independent streak and were seemingly immune to leftists manipulation. My other posts cover motive.

Afterward, the media were part of the coverup and continue to be so today. They have never shied from rewriting history and their actions during and after the Clinton administration is an excellent example of my point. Any who disagree with the lone gunman scenario in either assasination is immediately labeled a conspiracy kook. Where else do you see such tactics used? Throughout the liberal mantra, that's where. Demonizing the opposition has always been one of their primary tactics. Does VRWC ring a bell?

36 posted on 11/21/2002 10:20:54 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
JFK would have served eight years and Robert eight after that. By then, it would have been too late for LBJ.

I don't think either of those things were givens. Both JFK and RFK are viewed much more favorably in the aftermath of their assassinations. JFK's popularity had been steadily declining. The last poll taken before his death put his approval at 58%. Solid, to be sure, but not invincible, and much lower than his career average of 70%. A Presidential campaign in 1964 might have dented that a bit more. A Houston Chronicle poll set to be released during Kennedy's visit in November 1963 showed Goldwater with a 52-48 lead in the state of Texas, with Kennedy's approval at only 50%. Still, I do believe it likely that JFK would have been re-elected in 1964. But I think it's quite a reach to assume RFK would have succeeded him so easily for another two terms. Even at the time of his own death, RFK trailed both Eugene McCarthy and Hubert Humphrey in a Democratic primary poll. Would RFK have been more politically viable had his brother not died and served a full 8 years in office? I doubt it.

37 posted on 11/21/2002 10:25:21 AM PST by BlackRazor
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
I can refute the "solution" in two words: Magic Bullet

A fellow named Posner wrote a book and did a documentary, called Final Evidence I think, that used computer animation to prove the magic bullet theory and settle the issue once and for all. The computer animation was superimposed over the Zeprudder film with the film image rather hazy in the background. The animation slickly proved how the magic bullet did in fact cause all that damage. However, there was a slight problem no one seemd to notice, no one in the media at least. As the drama moved toward the magic moment of the bullet striking, with everyone concentrating on the animation, the position of the bodies in the film no longer corresponded with their position in the animation. What the animation showed was not what actually happened. The film and book only proved a lie.

That by itself, regardless of the other things that cast doubt on the Warren Commisiion Report, should convince most that the report and its conclusion are lies themselves. Why go to all that trouble if Oswald did it?

38 posted on 11/21/2002 10:35:16 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Valin
", the chance of another Kennedy achieving the presidency no longer seems inevitable"

A very important reminder of yet another thing to be thankful for.

Good timing! :-)

39 posted on 11/21/2002 10:42:06 AM PST by Lloyd227
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To: cubreporter
Jack was the dim-bulb sock puppet of his father and Bobby was a vicious little turd who would do or say anything to achieve his ends.

I wouldn't waste my urine even to pi$$ on them and their progeny and I say that as an ex-Cape Codder who lived across Lewis Bay from the compound for thirty years.

They are all scum who are heartily disliked by those who know them best, their neighbors.

40 posted on 11/21/2002 11:31:26 AM PST by metesky
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