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To: MeeknMing
This article certainly provides us with a Barbara Streisand moment or six.

The article states that there is, "a growing number of American vigilante groups that capture and sometimes hurt or kill Mexican migrants who cross into the United States illegally."  If that is true, the hurt and kill part, it's rather interesting that US Citizens have not been arrested or charged with such activity.  Is the Mexican government suggesting our government dosen't take assault and murder seriously north of the border?

Once again quoting from the article, "'The fringe groups have sprung up...', said Arizona state Rep. Robert Cannell."  I don't consider farmers who wish to protect their land, posessions and family from illegal immigrant interlopers, to be a "fringe group."  These folks are as mainstream as it gets.  US Citizens want the border brought under control by 70%.  So who is the fringe individual here?  That's right Cannell, you are.  "The Democrat said he was 'strongly opposed' to the groups."  Well he's the one who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.  Either he should do it or resign.

"New Mexico state Senator Mary Jane Garcia said, 'vigilante groups appeal to undereducated young men who feel that state and federal governments haven't done
enough to protect towns along the border.' The Democrat said the issue also needed urgent attention in the New Mexico legislature."  Well the folks I've seen on the television are college educated people, former law enforcement officers and former members of the military.  I guess that's three pretty problematic groups according ot this ill-informed state senator.

Perhaps the single most outlandish portion of this report, is the attempt to drag criminality south of the border into the debate over the patrols.  Without missing a beat the article continues, "Also on Saturday, Chihuahua state lawmaker Cesar Castro Lopez called on investigators from the FBI and Britain's Scotland Yard to help solve the brutal slayings of women in Ciudad Juarez."

Unless you're paying attention here, it almost sounds as if the writer is talking about activity instigated by the "vigilantes" (refered to by folks without an ax to grind as patrols).  Read on, "More than 75 women have been raped and killed since 1993 in Ciudad Juarez, the border's largest city. Dozens of suspects have been arrested, but bodies have continued to turn up in the desert."  Here we are talking about the subject of the patrols, which these elected officials can't come grips with, then the article launches into stories of rapes and killings without making much of the fact that the patrols aren't involved at all.  They don't operate south of the borders.  They have nothing to do with these crimes, and nobody said they did.  But lumped in with this article, the intimation is clear.

Read this:

"Mr. Castro Lopez said that Mexican state and federal commissions assigned to investigate the crimes have failed to produce any concrete leads. 'It has become a financial issue of vital importance for those who do business on the border,' he said, adding that violence in Juarez has begun to affect U.S. commercial interests, thus ensuring that the killings fall under U.S. jurisdiction. The killings have 'ruined the reputation of Ciudad Juarez in the eyes of the world,' Mr. Castro Lopez said."

Excuse me, but it is not the job of the United States to solve crimes taking place in Mexico.  None the less Chihuahua state lawmaker Cesar Castro Lopes calls on the United States and Scotland Yard to solve the crimes.  Why?  "Becuase it affects US commercial interests.  Thus it ensures that the killings fall under US Jurisdiction."  Now there's a Democrat in the making!

I don't know who's elected officials are the bigger fools.  Is it the Mexican lawmaker that screws over the US Citizen then bitches when those citizens take reasoned measures to stop it?  Is it the US lawmaker who watches on and blames the US Citizen without so much as an inadvertent burp in the presence of Mexican Officials?  Or is it this Lopes who calls in US Law Enforcement and Interpole rather than slam his own leader Fox for not taking more action on the issue?

This border mess just gets wierder and wierder.

5 posted on 11/24/2002 2:58:44 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Second Mexican War coming, d'ya think?

Either they should stay on their side of the border, get a visa, or apply for statehood.
6 posted on 11/24/2002 3:12:21 AM PST by calenel
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To: DoughtyOne
Perhaps the single most outlandish portion of this report, is the attempt to drag criminality south of the border into the debate over the patrols. Without missing a beat the article continues,

Absolutely. This is one of the most unprofessional, dishonest, and disgusting pieces of "journalism" I have read in a long time.

It should not suprise us that AP wrote it. This week, AP and AP Radio News led with Daschle's screed--followed by AP inserting that "Daschle and his family have been the targets of Anthrax attacks."------suggesting talk radio fans tried to kill him.

13 posted on 11/24/2002 4:20:43 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: DoughtyOne
You are exactly right about that false insinuation is made by the juxtaposition of the 2 news reports that somehow Americans - so-called vigilantes - are to blame for the cases of rapes and murder in Juarez.

Leftist media lies and distortion once again.

20 posted on 11/24/2002 4:47:41 AM PST by flamefront
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To: DoughtyOne
Well stated here DoughtyOne. You expressed what I was thinking as I was scrolling down to your response here in response to the above piece of 'hit-piece propaganda'. I would only add that as long as we (voters) keep voting for those politicos who support the invasion of our country by the hordes of lawbreakers flooding across our borders from all points then nothing will ever be done to stop or stem the tide of these illegal immigrants.

Voters keep sending the same (kind of) politicians back to office year after year because they are either afraid of being labeled a single-issue voter or are bamboozled and dazzled by all the pre-election glitter that they are either unaware or permissive of this most serious issue or just don't care. Too many elected office holders give only lip service to upholding the laws and Constitution of this great country.

21 posted on 11/24/2002 4:54:26 AM PST by Ron H.
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To: DoughtyOne
Read on, "More than 75 women have been raped and killed since 1993 in Ciudad Juarez, the border's largest city. Dozens of suspects have been arrested, but bodies have continued to turn up in the desert."

The other BIG lie in this is that it's well over 300 raped and killed women and girls. More like 375 by now and over 500 are missing, most likely killed. Some American women in those numbers too. NO ONE in Mexico suspects this is our border patrol or white Americans involved. No white guy could be in the neighborhoods where these murders took place. Many Mexicans suspect Mexican drug lords and traffickers and suspect major coverups by the Mexican police and government officials.

36 posted on 11/24/2002 6:56:56 AM PST by FITZ
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To: DoughtyOne
Excuse me, but it is not the job of the United States to solve crimes taking place in Mexico.

LAcking a police state here, others want to import it, full with jurisdictional and sovereign conflicts of interests. And we let them do it.

41 posted on 11/24/2002 7:05:04 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: DoughtyOne
I read your post and it was quite good. I hardly hate to diminish it with a simple matter such as this, but would you kindly post your messages in black, not in blue.

If everyone were to start posting in multi color (throwing in smily faces even, arrggghh) this board will get real messed up and hard to read. You know, like those kiddie boards.

Thanks.
59 posted on 11/24/2002 8:29:41 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: DoughtyOne
Your post really says it all. A quick google search reveals that the FBI is already involved in the Juarez murders. So that aspect of the article is a red herring from top to bottom.

I would like to see documentation of any assaults or murders on illegals by any so-called 'vigilante' groups. I have my doubts it exists.

You can all just hand me a roll of tinfoil because I think this entire 'border situation' is being orchestrated. I lived in Silver City, NM from '98- '00 and what is transpiring now (and far more) was being talked about then. Talked about and expected by uneducated folks like LEO's, business men, EMT's, ranchers...let me just save space and say; across the spectrum from barflies to community leaders. Guess which end of the spectrum the more outlandish projections of the future came from.

I had a hard time swallowing it all then but things are progressing step by step as I was told it would.

63 posted on 11/24/2002 9:01:22 AM PST by TigersEye
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To: DoughtyOne
This border mess just gets wierder and wierder.

It's volatile.

131 posted on 11/24/2002 5:29:03 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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