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FBI had warning of attack on a civilian aircraft
TIMESONLINE ^ | November 29, 2002 | Ben Webster

Posted on 11/28/2002 7:05:46 PM PST by Conservative independent

AIRLINES were urged last night to consider installing anti-missile defence systems after the terrorist attempt to bring down an Israeli plane in Kenya.

The FBI gave a warning six months ago that civilian aircraft could be targeted by al-Qaeda terrorists firing missiles from the ground. Airlines noted the warning but few took any action because installing a basic anti-missile system would cost £2 million per aircraft.

Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s Foreign Minister, said: “Today, they’re firing the missiles at Israeli planes, tomorrow they’ll fire missiles at American planes, British planes, every country’s aircraft. Therefore, there can be no compromise with terror.”

The attack was launched from a vehicle parked about a mile from Mombasa airport.

Rafi Marek, the captain of the Arkia Boeing 757, said that he felt a slight bump shortly after take-off and saw two “white stripes” approaching the rear of the aircraft. They passed close by before disappearing.

Aircraft are most vulnerable to attack from shoulder-held missiles when they have just taken off or are coming in to land. The Sam-7, the missile fired yesterday, has a maximum range of three miles.

The Arkia jet was well within range and the passengers had a lucky escape. Of 42 shoulder-held missile attacks recorded around the world on civilian aircraft, 29 have hit the target.

In Sri Lanka, 100 soldiers travelling on civilian charter aircraft were killed in two attacks in 1995, and 52 people died when Afghan guerrillas shot down a Bakhtar Afghan Airlines aircraft in 1985.

Only El Al, Israel’s national airline, is believed to have installed missile defence systems. These systems sense an approaching missile and deploy a false signal, usually a flare, to divert it. Heat-seeking missiles, such as the Sam-7, are drawn to the flare and explode harmlessly beyond the plane.

Civilian airliners are harder to hit than military jets, despite being much larger, because they emit far less heat.

It was an attack on a US military jet at Dhahran in Saudi Arabia this year that prompted the FBI to issue its bulletin on the threat to civilian aircraft. It stated: “Given al-Qaeda’s demonstrated objective to target the US airline industry, its access to US and Russian-made Man-Portable Air Defence Systems (Manpads), and recent apparent targeting of US-led forces in Saudi Arabia, law enforcement agencies in the US should remain alert to the potential use of Manpads against US aircraft.”

The Federal Aviation Administration has also considered the feasibilty of equipping the US civilian fleet with missile protection, but it concluded in 1999 that: “Since there have been no confirmed incidents in the US it is difficult to convince aircraft manufacturers and airlines of the potential cost benefits of making their aircraft less susceptible and less vulnerable to Manpads through the implementation of warning systems.”

Philip Baum, the editor of Aviation Security International magazine, said that a £2 million defence system would add only 1.5 per cent to the £130 million cost of a new Boeing 747. “With every terrorist incident we tend to assume further attacks will be of a similar nature,” he said. “After September 11, all the focus went on suicide hijackers getting into the cockpits. The response was to fit reinforced cockpit doors.

“But the new threat could be coming from a different direction. We need to look not only at the intent of a terrorist organisation but what it is capable of doing in the future.”

David Learmount, safety editor of Flight International magazine, said that the aviation industry had been aware for decades that airliners were vulnerable to this kind of attack. “The question is why people haven’t done it more often.”

But he cautioned against calls for airlines to be forced to pay for expensive military protection systems. “There are many other safety systems queueing up to be installed on planes which would save many more lives,” he said.

A British Airways source said: “We would never say never to this type of equipment but our view at the moment is that it belongs in the realm of highly sophisticated military fighter planes.”

BA would have to spend half its £1.4 billion cash reserves to install the device on each of its 350 aircraft.

A Department for Transport source said: “Technically it is feasible to fit these devices, but it would be extremely expensive and would not protect against all types of missile. We believe the best protection is good intelligence and security around airport perimeters.”


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To: Conservative independent
Rafi Marek, the captain of the Arkia Boeing 757, said that he felt a slight bump shortly after take-off and saw two “white stripes” approaching the rear of the aircraft. They passed close by before disappearing.

This story is utter BS. No way.

21 posted on 11/28/2002 9:02:23 PM PST by Demidog
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To: Frank_2001
I'm sure they do have anti-missile technology among other hi-tech gizmos, how was the pilot able to see two white stripes approaching the REAR of the aircraft, anyway??

Exactly. This story is fabricated. The pilot would not be alive telling this story if somebody had fired an anti-aircraft missile at the airplane.

22 posted on 11/28/2002 9:04:05 PM PST by Demidog
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To: twntaipan
I stand corrected. I heard an Israel official state earlier today that they had no protection for civilian aircraft.
23 posted on 11/28/2002 9:04:18 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Frank_2001
Rear view mirror? ;o)
24 posted on 11/28/2002 9:14:22 PM PST by dixiechick2000
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
Ever fly in a Boeing 720? Looked like a 707 but it had much stronger engines. Now that was a takeoff. They were only around a short time and then retired.
25 posted on 11/28/2002 9:38:29 PM PST by willyone
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
Did you or anyone else catch Shep this afternoon

I heard him say that, and someone else on Fox news say something like, "Alot of people still believe it was a missile that took down TWA flight 800."
27 posted on 11/28/2002 9:48:44 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Sparta
No doubt. They're about as trustworthy as Charles Manson.
28 posted on 11/28/2002 9:52:05 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Doe Eyes
http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/article.php?sid=2544

this article says EL AL has countermeasures....check out the date...last week!
29 posted on 11/28/2002 10:34:21 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Blue Jays
"Pilot had a rearview mirror..."

Years ago (circa-1990) I was on a flight where a pilot with a sense of humor got on the intercom to tell the passengers to "Please remain in their seats so he could see out the rearview mirrors." I thought it was a hoot then and I'd still find it funny now, too.

~ Blue Jays ~

30 posted on 11/28/2002 11:37:54 PM PST by Blue Jays
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To: error99
Gee, I wonder if you could extend the effective range of a "stinger" or similar missle by strapping it to the side of a small private plane flying at 5,000 feet.

Seems to me I saw something posted on Free Republic about this. Oh yea, it was "loose lips sink ships."

31 posted on 11/29/2002 12:18:25 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: Demidog
I saw the pilot on FOXNEWS and this is what he said. Are you doubting the statement from the Israeli pilot?
32 posted on 11/29/2002 4:58:01 AM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: snippy_about_it
Flight 800? Nothing to see here. Move along.
Long Island Airbus ?Downed at take off over shallow water.
33 posted on 11/29/2002 5:11:57 AM PST by unending thunder
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
CBS said so, too. And don't forget, the NTSB is da bomb at investigating planes, trains and automobiles.
34 posted on 11/29/2002 5:24:32 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Conservative independent
Best defense against air attacks: KILL MORE AL-QAIDA on the ground.
35 posted on 11/29/2002 5:36:13 AM PST by dreamusic
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To: Conservative independent
Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s Foreign Minister, said: “Today, they’re firing the missiles at Israeli planes, tomorrow they’ll fire missiles at American planes, British planes, every country’s aircraft. Therefore, there can be no compromise with terror.”

This is so true. The enemy of these terrorists is.......civilization! They will attack any culture that has done better than theirs, which is every culture.

36 posted on 11/29/2002 5:43:36 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: error99
Here's the history of proximity fuses from a US military point of view.

It's a fairly long read, but, I thought it was interesting how US industry answered the call.

The Radio Proximity Fuze - A survey By Edward A. Sharpe Archivist, SMEC (c)

37 posted on 11/29/2002 6:12:42 AM PST by csvset
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To: csvset
Thanks...you are right this is a GREAT article to read.


Proximity fuses are obviously much more complex than my initial thoughts. Here of some of the (my humble opinion) highlights of the article.

"One method that was experimented with used radio waves transmitted from the ground. These radio waves would be reflected by the target and received by the fuze. Once the radio waves were at a sufficient level, the fuze would activate causing the shell to explode."

"Another method that was more logical and became the accepted means, was to develop a fuze which was capable of obtaining its own intelligence and of using it to ignite the shell. When assembled this fuze consisted of four major parts: A miniature radio transceiver, complete with amplifier and capacitor; a battery; an explosive train; and the necessary safety devices. The theory was that the fuze transmitter, alone, would not produce sufficient signal intensity, to trigger a thyratron tube switch."

"Magnetic fuses were another form of proximity fuze that was developed at Bell Laboratories personnel during World War II, was a fuze that detected changes in the earth's magnetic field produced by the presence of ships."

"The Optical Proximity Fuze components are: a toroidal lens, a photocell, and an amplifier. The lens as part of the conical nose of the rocket. This lens was arranged to collect light from all directions during its line of flight, and to focus it upon the photocell tube. The photo-sensitive cell then would transform the light into electrical energy which is then sent to an amplifier. No amplifier output is present until there is a sudden change in the amount of light entering the lens. This change was produced when the rocket approached the target and the light present to the photocell increased. The amplifier output developed a voltage that would then trigger a thyratron tube which, in turn, caused detonation of an explosive charge in the rocket. To operate the fuze, the change in the amount of light entering the lens needed to be just a small percentage of the total light regardless of the ambient light level from dawn to dusk."
39 posted on 11/29/2002 6:34:45 AM PST by error99
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To: Conservative independent
I'm waiting this morning to see Arab American leaders loudly condemn the Nigeria and Israeli attacks.

How long you reckon I'll be waiting?
40 posted on 11/29/2002 6:47:33 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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