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Why Are Black Students Lagging?
New York Times | 11/29/02 | FELICIA R. LEE

Posted on 11/29/2002 11:31:28 PM PST by kattracks


The persistent academic gap between white and black students has touched off difficult and often ugly debates over the question why. Are racist stereotypes to blame? Substandard schools? Cultural attitudes?

This long-running argument may bubble up again next year with the arrival of a book that argues minority communities themselves contribute to student failure.

The book, "Black American Students in an Affluent Suburb: A Study of Academic Disengagement" (Lawrence Erlbaum Associates), is by John U. Ogbu, an anthropology professor at the University of California at Berkeley and a well-known figure in the field of student achievement for more than three decades. Indeed, it was Mr. Ogbu's research that popularized the phrase "acting white" in the mid-1980's to help explain why black students might disdain behaviors associated with high achievement, like speaking standard grammatical English.

Now Mr. Ogbu is back, arguing with renewed fervor that his most recent research shows that African-Americans' own cultural attitudes are a serious problem that is too often neglected.

"No matter how you reform schools, it's not going to solve the problem," he said in an interview. "There are two parts of the problem, society and schools on one hand and the black community on the other hand."

Professor Ogbu's latest conclusions are highlighted in a study of blacks in Shaker Heights, Ohio, an affluent Cleveland suburb whose school district is equally divided between blacks and whites. As in many racially integrated school districts, the black students have lagged behind whites in grade-point averages, test scores and placement in high-level classes. Professor Ogbu was invited by black parents in 1997 to examine the district's 5,000 students to figure out why.

"What amazed me is that these kids who come from homes of doctors and lawyers are not thinking like their parents; they don't know how their parents made it," Professor Ogbu said in an interview. "They are looking at rappers in ghettos as their role models, they are looking at entertainers. The parents work two jobs, three jobs, to give their children everything, but they are not guiding their children."

For example, he said that middle-class black parents in general spent no more time on homework or tracking their children's schooling than poor white parents. And he said that while black students talked in detail about what efforts were needed to get an A and about their desire to achieve, too many nonetheless failed to put forth that effort.

Those kinds of attitudes reflect a long history of adapting to oppression and stymied opportunities, said Professor Ogbu, a Nigerian immigrant who has written that involuntary black immigrants behave like low-status minorities in other societies.

Not surprisingly, he said, the parents were disappointed when he turned the spotlight on them as well as the schools. Peggy Caldwell, a spokeswoman for the Shaker Heights City School District, said that minority families cared deeply about their children's academic achievement and the district was working with education experts to reduce the racial achievement gap. She noted that while Professor Ogbu called most of the black families in the district middle class, 10 to 12 percent live in poverty.

Also not surprisingly, many researchers take issue with some of Professor Ogbu's latest findings.

"When we asked if friends made fun of kids who do well in school, we don't find any racial difference in that," said Ronald F. Ferguson, a senior research associate at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard who analyzed a new study of 40,000 middle and high school students in 15 middle class school districts, including Shaker Heights.

Indeed, the study, which was administered by the Minority Student Achievement Network, an organization that explores ways to close the racial achievement gap, found that African-American and Latino students work as hard and care as much about school as white and Asian students do.

Mr. Ferguson said that while minorities lag behind whites in things like homework completion, it is wrong to infer that they aren't interested in school. "High achievers are more often accused of acting white than low achievers, but it's because the low achievers suspect the high achievers believe they are superior."

"It's things like talking too properly when you're in informal social settings," he continued. "It's hanging around white friends and acting like you don't want to be with your black friends. It's really about behavior patterns and not achievement."

Mr. Ferguson speculated that what Professor Ogbu saw was a clumsy attempt by black students to search for a comfortable racial identity. "What does it mean to be black?" he said. "What does it mean to be white? The community needs to help kids make sense of their own identity."

"I would agree with Ogbu that there are youth cultural patterns and behaviors that are counterproductive for academic success," he went on, mentioning socializing in class and spending too much time watching television. "But when they engage in those behaviors, they are not purposely avoiding academic success."

Other researchers have zeroed in on other culprits, whether inferior schools, lower teacher expectations, impoverished family backgrounds or some combination.

Theories of black intellectual inferiority, too, have popped up from the 1781 publication of Thomas Jefferson's "Notes on the State of Virginia" to "The Bell Curve" in 1994 and beyond. Given that sensitivity and the implications for policies like school desegregation and affirmative action, virtually every aspect of the academic gap has been examined.

Where Professor Ogbu found that some middle class blacks were clueless about their children's academic life, for example, Roslyn Arlin Mickelson, a sociology professor at the University of North Carolina, instead concluded that such parents were often excluded from the informal networks that white parents use for information about courses, gifted programs and testing. "I believe, based on my own research, that the center of gravity lies with the school system," she said.

Claude Steele, a Stanford University psychologist, meanwhile, has hypothesized that black students are responding to the fear of confirming lowered expectations.

And Walter R. Allen, a professor of sociology at the University of California at Los Angeles, said that even when racial minorities and whites attended the same schools, they could have radically different experiences because of tracking and teacher expectations.

Professor Allen is conducting a long-term project on college access for African-American and Latino high school students in California. In his view, black students sometimes underperform because of subtle exchanges with teachers who convey the message that they find the students inferior or frightening. And, he said, minority schools still overwhelmingly lack good teachers and adequate teaching tools.

He also pointed out that comparing the income level of black and white families, as Professor Ogbu did with his Midwestern subjects, can be misleading. Black incomes might be derived from two-career families juggling several jobs compared with a single breadwinner in white households.

Professor Ogbu is no stranger to controversy. His theory of "acting white" has been the subject of intense study since he first wrote about it in the mid-80's with Signithia Fordham, then a graduate student and now a professor of anthropology at the University of Rochester. They studied an inner-city Washington high school where students listed doing well in school among the "white" behaviors they rejected, like visiting the Smithsonian and dancing to lyrics rather than a beat.

The two anthropologists theorized that a long history of discrimination helped foster what is known in sociological lingo as an oppositional peer culture. Not only were students resisting the notion that white behavior was superior to their own, but they also saw no connection between good grades and finding a job.

Many scholars who have disputed those findings rely on a continuing survey of about 17,000 nationally representative students, which is conducted by the National Center for Education Statistics, an arm of the federal government. This self-reported survey shows that black students actually have more favorable attitudes than whites toward education, hard work and effort.

But that has by no means settled the debate. In the February issue of the American Sociological Review, for example, scholars who tackled the subject came to opposite conclusions. One article (by three scholars) said that the government data were not reliable because there was often a gap between what students say and what they do; another article by two others said they found that high-achieving black students were especially popular among their peers.

"It's difficult to determine what's going on," said Vincent J. Roscigno, a professor of sociology at Ohio State University who has studied racial differences in achievement. "`I'm sort of split on Ogbu. It's hard to compare a case analysis to a nationally representative statistical analysis. I do have a hunch that rural white poor kids are doing the same thing as poor black kids. I'm tentative about saying it's race-based."

Indeed, Professor Mickelson of the University of North Carolina found that working class whites as well as middle-class blacks were more apt to believe that doing well in school compromised their identity.

All these years later, Professor Fordham said, she fears that the acting-white idea has been distorted into blaming the victim. She said she wanted to advance the debate by looking at how race itself was a social fiction, rooted not just in skin color but also in behaviors and social status.

"Black kids don't get validation and are seen as trespassing when they exceed academic expectations," Professor Fordham said, echoing her initial research. "The kids turn on it, they sacrifice their spots in gifted and talented classes to belong to a group where they feel good."



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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Good post. Sad, but a fact. Even if there had never been any "comparison by IQ tests", the world knows this by looking at the African continent.
41 posted on 11/30/2002 6:00:14 AM PST by not-an-ostrich
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To: Tripleplay
The city council is all black.

Almost. Maryanne Mahaffey and Sheila Cockrel are whities. In fact, Mahaffey is Counsel President and, if Kwame should die, would become Mayor. Actually, it wasn't that long ago that the split was closer to 50/50. Dave Eberhard and Mel Ravitz left a few years ago, but were always big vote getters.

And you'd be amazed at the percentage of Detroit's teachers who are white.

42 posted on 11/30/2002 6:00:30 AM PST by ItsJeff
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To: Jim Noble
In affluent public schools all over America, this is a problem, for white kids as well as blacks.

I think your right that it's a problem for all kids, affluent or not no matter what color or hue. But I also believe that the "I am owed a living attitude" is more prevalent in black students because it is an implied message they have been getting loud and clear from social "leaders" for a long time.

43 posted on 11/30/2002 6:02:36 AM PST by Fzob
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To: kattracks
"...a book that argues minority communities themselves contribute to student failure."

Gee.........ya think??

I defy anyone to closely examine today's black culture and point out one aspect of it.......just one........that suggests a desire to excel, improve, educate, edify, or prosper beyond thuggism or pro sports (I know I know....little difference there any more).

Martin Luther King must be spinning in his grave.

44 posted on 11/30/2002 6:03:31 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Nakatu X
I never wondered what it meant to be white, either, until I went to my first grad computer science class and found out that I stuck out like a sore eye in a sea of Indians

After you found out you were the lone white guy/gal, what happened. Did it affect your life? I only ask because it seems that if your a black person there is some social requirement that you are to go through some type of evaluation of your identity as a black person. I don't mean to be forward, but I just don't understand this business of wondering what it mean to be a particular color shape or size. Are fat people supposed to evaluate what it mean to be fat, are they supposed to think and act like fat people?

45 posted on 11/30/2002 6:14:11 AM PST by Fzob
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To: kattracks
Black or white or neither, when you are born into a family that does not value education, to a family that hasn't a notion of the "future" and what it takes to sacrifice "now" for that "future," education just isn't going to be a priority. When you come from a family that doesn't appreciate/know/understand/teach that certain behaviors are part of success and certain behaviors keep you down, you're not likely to succeed at anything.
46 posted on 11/30/2002 6:20:37 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: GailA
Notice it went haywire after MLK and the intro of muslim influence?
47 posted on 11/30/2002 6:22:01 AM PST by oceanperch
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To: RightOnline
Martin Luther King must be spinning in his grave.

Isn't that the truth.

The government encourages divisiveness. The last Gov application I saw (circa 1982) had 7 choices for the 'race'box. SEVEN !
The Cubans I worked with were quite upset at being singled out from 'white'and being lumped in 'hispanic'.

48 posted on 11/30/2002 6:22:59 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: kattracks
We owe a lot of this attitude to Lyndon Johnson and the Democrats with their "Great Society"-- a colossal boondoggle.
49 posted on 11/30/2002 6:25:48 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: ladylib
what is the name of this school?
50 posted on 11/30/2002 6:25:57 AM PST by MAKnight
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To: superdestroyer
The problem that has been shown over and over again is that black culture, outside of school, is anti-intellectual.

Not at all; "black culture" in and of itself is not anti-education or anti-intellectual. On the contrary, if you examine black culutre in it's purest form, and go back to the pre-1960 timeframe, when you can and will see black cuture in it's pure form, you will find that there is a huge emphasis on education and on intellectual advancement within the culture.

The contemporary problem is two-fold. First, thanks to the race warlords and poverty pimps and liberal enablers, it has become "OK" for blacks to relish within their "victim" status. The be-all, end-all for black America, thanks to the Jesse Jacksons of the world, is to play the victim. Unfortunately, this has spread to education. John McWhorter pointed this out in his book, "Losing the Race."

The second problem is tied, not to "black culture," but to popular culture. Pop culture is force-fed to the masses via television and radio; it's extended by peer pressure and culture. It's popular not to achieve - why? Because you don't see or hear of your favorite television star or favorite musician going that route. When they see blacks on television, they are more likely to watch something like "Fastlane," which glorifies violence and crime, than to turn on the Discovery Channel or PBS.

Now this does not speak for everyone by far. But it does speak for enough that are reflected by the statistical numbers.

In any event, when households are steeped in traditional values, either black or mainstream or both, the offspring of those houses prosper academically.

It also means that the parents are more likely to take an active role in their childrens' education. Even something as simple as checking over their kids' homework and helping them to understand concepts taught at school. When that happens, everyone benefits.

51 posted on 11/30/2002 6:32:03 AM PST by mhking
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To: AllSmiles
You write: Instead, we should find areas of life for which blacks, as a group, are positively adapted.

I don't think we can direct a whole group of people, based on skin color, to seek certain types of work. I think we need to examine what prompts a person to seek a particular career. Perhaps we might find that society (parents, educators, the media) do not shine a bright enough light on those who succeed in non-glamorous jobs. There are role models out there, and we should be helping kids of all races to see what these role models have achieved, and to formulate in their minds a healthy definition of success.

Someone on this thread mentioned Thomas Sowell. His book, A Personal Oddysey, should be required reading for all high scholl freshmen. It is inspirational to see what an intelligent, determined person can achieve against the odds.

However, we need other role models as well, for students who do not have the intellect or drive of a Thomas Sowell. Students need to hear about people who have succeeded in other walks of life, and to understand what they had to go through on the way to success.

52 posted on 11/30/2002 6:32:52 AM PST by Rocky
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
Who really cares anymore except the people who derive power from taxation or the ability to inspire hate against anything they can lable white.
53 posted on 11/30/2002 6:36:09 AM PST by junta
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To: Tripleplay
Tripleplay, You also may be aware that last week, the Gangsta (C)rapper Jay Z was made "principal for a day" at Detroit Cass Tech High School. Cass Tech is supposed to be the premier HS in Detroit. The alleged real principal of Cass Tech and the "community leadership" apparently had no problem with this "honor" given to the (C)rapper. Coincidentally, the Gangsta (C)rapper Jay Z was in town to promote his latest "album" of Gangsta (C)rap.
54 posted on 11/30/2002 6:40:36 AM PST by RushLake
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To: kattracks
This only matters to those who would base society on groups rather than individual rights.
55 posted on 11/30/2002 6:40:58 AM PST by laredo44
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To: Charles Henrickson
I think you are correct. The Liberals never want to acknowledge the high rate of abandonment of children by their fathers as a problem. Remember, the lesbian community does not want to admit that fathers matter either. If the lesbian studies are correct and fathers don't matter, then we have to look towards other explanations.

One explanation that I have heard tossed about is that the slaves in the U.S. were the weaker tribes in the African gene pool. They were "selected out" to the U.S. by African tribal leaders and the British (as slave traders). Of course, many blacks are highly intelligent which is not inconsistent with that theory. Of course, some highly intelligent tribes that were simply small in size may have been captured and shipped to the U.S.
56 posted on 11/30/2002 6:42:59 AM PST by TonyS6
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To: BurkeCalhounDabney
I agree with you. The "root cause" of this disparity is IQ. That my seem unpalatable to some, but the science is there. It might also be noted that there are other disparities of this sort between other groups. Ashkenazi Jews have a higher IQ than do white gentiles. And, surprise, they have a higher income and higher rates of academic achievement. Noting this fact doesn't mean that I hate white gentiles (I am one), but rather that I can examine the data and reach an obvious conclusion.

The only ways that this disparity will ever be eliminated is:

1) genetic technology evolves so that the human genome can be manipulated.

2) education for white kids is dumbed down to the extent that both black and white kids are equally illiterate.

Manipulation of environment and culture (such as is attempted by the whole web of social welfare programs) will not solve what is essentially a nature based, not social based, phenomenon.

57 posted on 11/30/2002 6:47:11 AM PST by quebecois
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To: superdestroyer
"The problem that has been shown over and over again is that black culture, outside of school, is anti-intellectual."

Yeah that nails it.

Though I like to think the biggest problem for these black kids is their hoodlum friends.

"Just tell your hoodlum friends outside.

You ain't got time to take a ride.

Yakkety Yak.

Don't talk back!"
58 posted on 11/30/2002 7:00:53 AM PST by SBprone
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To: kattracks
Why Are Black Students Lagging?

Because they can? Seriously, when the system rewards failure, look for people, seeking reward, to fail. To me, its that simple.

59 posted on 11/30/2002 7:03:06 AM PST by meyer
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To: superdestroyer
The belief that blacks make great athletes is somewhat of a myth. The number of black college athletes is really no much higher than the proportion of the general population when you consider all sports. In addition, black women are underrepresented in college athletics and the US Olympic athletes.

Think quality, not quantity.

60 posted on 11/30/2002 7:05:52 AM PST by meyer
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