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Australia Ready To Strike Abroad
BBC ^ | 12-1-2002

Posted on 12/01/2002 8:03:40 AM PST by blam

Sunday, 1 December, 2002, 13:49 GMT

Australia ready to strike abroad

John Howard wants the UN charter to be changed

Australia's prime minister has said he is ready to launch pre-emptive action against terrorists in neighbouring Asian countries. John Howard's remarks caused outrage among governments in the region.

He told Australian television that international law was no longer adequate to confront the threats to national security.

International law has to catch up with the new reality

Australia should now be allowed to strike first at terrorist targets, he said.

Mr Howard's comments come as Australia beefs up its security measures, following a terrorist attack in Bali in October which claimed up to 90 Australian lives.

Powerful military

Asked whether he would be prepared to act if he knew terrorists were planning to attack Australia, Mr Howard said: "Yes, I think any Australian prime minister would."

Australia used its military might in East Timor

Australia has one of the most powerful military machines in the Asia-Pacific region, including a modern air force and highly regarded special forces, says the BBC's Phil Mercer in Sydney.

Mr Howard said he would have no hesitation in using these resources in neighbouring countries to eliminate suspected terrorist targets.

The Australian leader also wants the United Nations charter to be amended to allow member countries to strike first if they believe an attack is imminent.

States cannot flout international law and norms willy-nilly

Marti Natalegawa, Indonesia spokesman He said the existing document was drawn up when conflicts were defined in terms of one nation attacking another nation - and was now out-of-date.

"What you're getting is non-state terrorism which is just as devastating and potentially even more so."

Attack warnings

In the past few weeks, the Australian government has issued a number of warnings that an attack on Australian soil is likely in the coming months.

The country's sense of security was shattered on 12 October, when powerful bomb blasts blamed on suspected Islamic extremists tore through beach bars on Indonesia's resort island of Bali.

The Bali blast shattered Australia's notions of security

Up to 90 of the 185 people killed were Australian, and the attack has been dubbed Australia's September 11.

Since then the country has been on a high state of alert, boosting security overseas and warning of further attacks.

Last week Australia closed its mission in the Philippines, citing a specific and credible terror threat.

Asian anger

Mr Howard's comments have sparked outrage from governments across Asia.

Indonesian foreign ministry spokesman Marti Natalegawa said Australia did not have the right to launch military strikes in other countries. "States cannot flout international law and norms willy-nilly," he said.

Thai Government spokesman Ratthakit Manathat said: "Nobody does anything like this. Each country has its own sovereignty that must be protected."

And Philippine National Security Adviser Roilo Golez said Mr Howard's comments were "not wise", and did not "follow ... the doctrine of peacekeeping and sovereignty."


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Bravo!!
1 posted on 12/01/2002 8:03:41 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Somebody's ox got gored. - Tom
2 posted on 12/01/2002 8:13:48 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: blam
Another pair of eyes opened!
3 posted on 12/01/2002 8:20:19 AM PST by Seeking the truth
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To: blam
"He told Australian television that international law was no longer adequate to confront the threats to national security."

I've always considered the phrase "international law" to be code word for "hate America first." But, to the point, he is correct. "International law" does not truly exist and is totally useless to combat terrorism. The terrorists will ultimately win the terrorism war by simple means of attrition, because they are in unlimited supply. It's time to limit the supply.

4 posted on 12/01/2002 8:21:32 AM PST by Enterprise
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" It's time to limit the supply."

Starting with the mosques. (Saudia Arabia first.)

5 posted on 12/01/2002 8:24:58 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Bump
6 posted on 12/01/2002 8:29:47 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Enterprise
To add to your comment, it's time to hit the supply of terrorists - whever they are!
7 posted on 12/01/2002 8:30:15 AM PST by toddst
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Why the heck can't our President be more like him? This crap about premption is such crap. If a robber is in your house with a gun, are you going to wait for him to shoot you first before you pull the trigger?
8 posted on 12/01/2002 8:34:21 AM PST by chris1
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To: toddst
Exactly! (and thank you) (=^..^=)
9 posted on 12/01/2002 8:34:45 AM PST by Enterprise
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Hey genius, it was Bush who first announced the doctrine change that the US would strike preemptively. Australia is now adopting OUR new strategy.

In your haste to bash Bush, you forgot to consider the facts and come off looking like a fool.
10 posted on 12/01/2002 8:39:11 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: chris1
Our President has been getting blasted for stating our intention to strike pre-emptively. It is nice to see some other leader agree that this is necessary in order to win this war.
11 posted on 12/01/2002 8:43:39 AM PST by Route66
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To: blam
The Australian leader also wants the United Nations charter to be amended to allow member countries to strike first if they believe an attack is imminent.

Well, the next step for Australia is come to the realization that the United Nations charter is not binding on any country.

12 posted on 12/01/2002 8:46:22 AM PST by Dog Gone
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they are in unlimited supply

I believe terrorists are in very limited supply. You make it seem as if just anybody can and will become terrorists. That doesn't ring true to me.

13 posted on 12/01/2002 9:01:05 AM PST by laredo44
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To: Dog Gone
I am as much a hawk as anybody. However, I am nervous too about this pre-emptive stuff against non-states. There are two nuances to it. The first is the way the US is actually conducting its war on terror: Once the US identifies a terror cell in a foreign country, they are coordinating with the foreign country for either them taking care of the problem, or we take care of the problem after coordinating with them.
The second way of doing it is the way most people would characterize the Australian prime minister's words: Australia would deal with the problem with no coordination with the relevant nation, thus violating its sovereignty. That's the way the Europeans are mischaracterizing the US response. This sort of policy would give tyrants a great pretext to invade neighbouring countries (such as the Russians inserting themselves into Georgia, regardless of the willingness and ability of Georgians of dealing with the terrorist problem themselves).
14 posted on 12/01/2002 9:02:02 AM PST by winner3000
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Bunk. We will see Australia conquered and occupied by Muslims- unless ther U.S. jumps in and saves them. Take a look at the geopolitical map in their part of the world- they are the equivalent of a nice middle-class white family living in Watts, with a single-shot .22 for protection.
15 posted on 12/01/2002 9:06:44 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE
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It is true that in total numbers that terrorists are somewhat "limited." Looking back to 1983, there was the terrorist bombing that took over two hundred U.S. Marines lives in Lebanon. Many of today's modern day terrorists were infants at that time, or were not even born. Where did they come from? Terrorists will continue to be trained, and will still be killing via suicide attacks twenty years from now. And twenty years after that! They are not in unlimited supply in total present numbers, but in future terms, they have no limits.
16 posted on 12/01/2002 9:08:35 AM PST by Enterprise
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To: blam
Godspeed, mates.
17 posted on 12/01/2002 9:08:59 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: winner3000
Pre-emptive strikes are justifiable in a host country that is unwilling or unable to act in coordination with the threatened country to eliminate the threat. One would hope that a country that is merely unable to act on its own initiative would be willing to cooperate, of course.

But this is merely an extension of the doctrine of striking at terrorists and those who harbor them. In most cases, it is not a strike at the host government, but where that is necessary, I don't have a problem with it.

The nature of warfare has changed in the past 100 years. In the past, aggression would manifest itself as an invasion across an international boundary or on the high seas. Today, weapons of mass destruction can be launched from within a country against another without an invasion, or infiltrators can instigate attacks in a neighboring country using the element of surprise. We call those infiltrators "terrorists."

It is unreasonable for a country to have to absorb a blow before acting against a particular threat, especially when those responsible can simply disappear into a civilian population after an attack. The only means to protect against such attacks is to destroy the people who are planning them wherever they may be.

18 posted on 12/01/2002 9:22:02 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: blam
May they begin with Barbra Streisand..
19 posted on 12/01/2002 9:28:55 AM PST by Jhoffa_
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Good luck, mates.
20 posted on 12/01/2002 9:31:20 AM PST by Sparta
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