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Local, national groups call for end to ‘war on drugs’
Middletown Press ^ | December 04, 2002 | JOHN ZORABEDIAN

Posted on 12/04/2002 3:05:07 PM PST by MrLeRoy

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To: Houmatt
I took a gander at your home page and found this...

I am a firm believer in the use of common sense and personal responsibility. If you put a cup of hot coffee between your legs, remove the lid and burn yourself, that is YOUR fault. It is YOUR fault if you get fat from eating fast food. It is YOUR fault if you get cancer from smoking cigarettes.

Why do you support the War on Drugs?
21 posted on 12/04/2002 4:36:37 PM PST by jmc813
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To: clamper1797; ellery; Houmatt
WASHINGTON (AP) — Three-fourths of Americans think the nation is losing the war on drugs and think the demand for drugs is so high it will be impossible to stop their use, a poll says.
22 posted on 12/04/2002 4:42:09 PM PST by gcruse
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To: jmc813
Why do you support the War on Drugs?

1) Drugs are illegal (as they should be).

2) Drugs kill.

Any questions?

24 posted on 12/04/2002 5:09:53 PM PST by Houmatt
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To: cryofan3
The fact is most drug deaths are due to impurities or even quality/strengths. THat should be obvious to anyone who has done even cursory research on the problem. Obviously (I hope), you realize that legalization would basically eliminate this problem.

And it would obviously make things easier for you.

25 posted on 12/04/2002 5:12:13 PM PST by Houmatt
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To: gcruse
Three-fourths of Americans think the nation is losing the war on drugs and think the demand for drugs is so high it will be impossible to stop their use, a poll says.

And I am sure the same amount of people would believe the moon landing was faked and the world is flat, depending on how you ask the question.

26 posted on 12/04/2002 5:15:27 PM PST by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt
Drugs are illegal (as they should be)

Circular reasoning.

Drugs kill

Alcohol and nicotine kill far more. Should they be illegal? Obesity is becoming the leading health problem. Should McDonalds be sued out of existence?

27 posted on 12/04/2002 5:17:43 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: ThinkDifferent
Circular reasoning.

Point?

Alcohol and nicotine kill far more.

Exactly. And that is because they are legal, not in spite of it.

28 posted on 12/04/2002 5:22:42 PM PST by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt
1) Drugs are illegal (as they should be).

Aspirin is legal (as it should be).

2) Drugs kill.

Aspirin kills.

Any questions?

Any answers?

EBUCK

29 posted on 12/04/2002 5:27:08 PM PST by EBUCK
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To: Houmatt
And I am sure the same amount of people would believe the moon landing was faked and the world is flat, depending on how you ask the question.

Keep on dancing and whistling.  The fact remains.
30 posted on 12/04/2002 5:31:31 PM PST by gcruse
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To: Houmatt
Point?

That circular reasoning, i.e. supporting the WOD because drugs are illegal, is a logical fallacy.

And that is because they are legal, not in spite of it.

So you would support the return of alcohol prohibition?

31 posted on 12/04/2002 5:44:53 PM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: Houmatt
If that's the case, why are all the medical mj and decrim laws and initiatives passing? Methinks you are both wrong and a moron yourself. But that's just my opinion. You COULD be an actual idiot, for all I know.
32 posted on 12/04/2002 5:53:44 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: Houmatt
Drugs kill. Guns kill. Do you support repealing the 2nd Amendment?

The point of eliminating the "WOD" is not to encourage drug use. Stopping the "WOD" does not automatically mean legalization, actually. But you can stop making possession a mandatory prison-time serving criminal offense, and replace it with an exhorbitant fine, should you prefer. The "WOD" has given the government an excuse to trample on 4th Amendment rights, which I (as a NON-drug user) am concerned about. They can confiscate MY property on SUSPICION of drug crimes, with no requirement of prior conviction, and no compelling statute to return it upon my innocence being proven.

And just like Prohibition led to the rise of mob activity, WOD has led to gang activity (and, as a codicil, just like NYC's cigarette ban and huge tax hike has led to terrorist funding through cig smuggling). Many legal drugs are far more deadly and potent than ones currently illegal...

33 posted on 12/04/2002 6:04:15 PM PST by austinTparty
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To: gcruse
No, no -- I was responding to the post in favor of continuing the useless WOD because "most Americans want it." That's not a very sound argument -- because everyone else wants it -- is it?
34 posted on 12/04/2002 7:00:32 PM PST by ellery
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To: ellery
Agreed. Sorry if I misread. What is most important is what is Constitutional, not the (forgive me) zeitgeist.
35 posted on 12/04/2002 7:02:31 PM PST by gcruse
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To: gcruse
Hee -- you said zeitgeist. :-)
36 posted on 12/04/2002 7:03:16 PM PST by ellery
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To: MrLeRoy
"Actually, a recent poll showed that 74% of Americans agreed that the War On Drugs has failed."

I'd be curious to know what polls say about if people favor legalization of narcotics or not.I'm not suprised a majority feel the WOD is a failure.But how many want legalized drugs in it's place?
37 posted on 12/04/2002 8:04:08 PM PST by Rocksalt
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To: cryofan3
Actually, I'm in favor of legalization. And you're quite right, legalization would deal with deaths based on impurities, and would help deal with those based on infection, etc.

However, it won't solve everything. Alcohol has been legal for decades, and it's quality is stringently controlled. Yet, people fall into a bottle and die every day. They'll fall into a syringe or a pill bottle just as easily, or more easily. Give people a ready way to avoid reality, and there'll be those who fall for it.

In fact, they don't even have to get that much benefit from it. You don't get much of a high from nicotine, yet yearly it slaughters it's 10,000's and 100,000's in the U.S. alone.

Drug use kills people. It's undeniable. Legalizing drugs will not change that, it just changes who gets killed, and how many.
38 posted on 12/04/2002 9:57:49 PM PST by RonF
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To: Bryan
PING
40 posted on 12/04/2002 11:50:31 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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