Europe's nations fading to the left

Europe as we have known it is disappearing. Soon there will be no France, no Germany, no Italy, no Austria, no Spain, no Denmark, no Belgium, no Netherlands, no Greece, no Ireland, no Great Britain. Every country will be gone. In their place will be the European Union.

You're exactly right. I've not met many people in Europe who even like the idea of the EU other than the common currency, and that's from traveling in 11 of the countries since the advent of the Euro.

The pro-EU leaders are stacking the deck against the citizens of Europe. The people are being made to vote repeatedly on issues of conceding power to the EU. Last year, Ireland rejected by overwhelming numbers an expansion of the EU to include Turkey. That vote was effectively nullified when the issue came up for a vote again this year. The outright propaganda aimed at the uninformed led to the expansion's passage on the second time around. Had the issued failed this year, no doubt it would have come up for another vote next year, and every year after until it did pass.

EU expansion is a battle of attrition. Those who disagree are being steamrolled and exhausted into conceding.

Does this mean that they will all lose their votes in the UN and there will be just one EU vote ...

... or does this mean that each of our 50 states will be given seats in the UN (and in the security council)?

Exactly. This is going to be a big issue pretty soon. It could effectively be the thing that makes us withdraw from the UN. In no way can anybody claim it is fair that as the EU inches inevitably nearer to becoming one nation they should keep all their UN votes as well. We should either get 50 or they should get one.

This will surely have huge ramifications. The UK and France are both permanent members of the UN Security Council. One can easily see the thorny problems that raises for those two nations. Would they be both ejected from the Council? Surely you couldn't say the EU should be a permanent member when Germany was never allowed to be- this would upset the whole original intent of "permanent member status".

There are many other thorny issues as well. Despite all our differences with Europe, they are still more or less part of what we refer to as "Western Culture". If suddenly the two biggest bastions of Western Culture had only two whole votes between them (US and EU), it is not too hard to imagine that the Islamic world would soon band together and vote to transfer all our technology over to the Arabic states and the African nations would vote to take our wealth.

I've given this quite a bit of pondering and I firmly believe something very good will come out of the EU- the dissolution of the UN. Seriously. This would make a good topic of further discussion on a thread by itself.

Europe has this multicentury history of almost constant war except for the last 57 years under American domination.

There's good and bad in that. Bad because the last time they brawled, they shoved a lot of innocent people into ovens. Good because Western arms and military organization were developed in that shark tank called Europe over the span of a few hundred years, and proved so successful that most militaries worldwide attempt to pattern themselves along those lines.

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