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Nullification and Liberty
Lew Rockwell ^ | 12/10/02 | Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

Posted on 12/10/2002 6:57:25 AM PST by billbears

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To: ThomasJefferson
And you are so concerned about my soul and mental health too. What a guy!
201 posted on 12/13/2002 7:54:28 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I'm concerned that you may harm someone or yourself. Your soul is not my call, but I'm guessing that you will be given concideration for not knowing the difference between right and wrong.
202 posted on 12/13/2002 8:08:15 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Dozens of posts from you mention your belief that my church should be at odds with me and that my soul is in jeopardy.

I never had a "concideration" before. Are they expensive?
203 posted on 12/13/2002 8:36:31 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I'm not talking about the poor souls in your congregation who don't know how profoundly disturbed you are.

I was talking about your judgement. I was just hoping when you get judged your illness would be concidered. Hint; The people in your congregation don't get to judge you.

204 posted on 12/13/2002 8:45:43 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: GOPcapitalist
But that does not mean other branches can simply ignore the check of judicial oversight when it is exercised by the courts.

Didn't Jackson not even pay any attention to a SC ruling when he was President? I remember a quote by him, (paraphrase) "They can rule any way they want; let's see if they can enforce it."

205 posted on 12/13/2002 8:48:17 AM PST by Dixie republican
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To: ThomasJefferson
Apparently you are the only person on earth who "knows" how "profoundly disturbed" I am. Aren't you special?
206 posted on 12/13/2002 8:51:57 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You prove it with evey post.
207 posted on 12/13/2002 8:53:58 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
I already told you I don't grade on the curve. You seem stuck on it. Oh well.

If you don't grade on that curve, then Jefferson must be abhorent to you.

208 posted on 12/13/2002 8:59:23 AM PST by Dixie republican
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To: Dixie republican
Not hardly. And in any case I have no human heros. Jefferson or anyone else.
209 posted on 12/13/2002 9:10:36 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Whatever "it" is.
210 posted on 12/13/2002 10:05:04 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The need for the last word is another symptom of instability. You may have it, it fits your illness.
211 posted on 12/13/2002 10:10:24 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I realize that we have been talking past each other for the most part because you and I disagree over the legitimacy of secession. I have seen enough evidence to convince me that secession is legitimate but I don't want to debate that issue. If you start with my perspective then you look for what mechanisms within the Constitution would come into play in negotiating a voluntary mutually agreeable secession. Under those circumstances it would not be a stretch to read each enumerated power as containing within itself the ability to transfer that power to a State that seceded. Property formerly belonging to the United States could be transferred or sold to the newly independent State. If the Secession were not mutually agreed upon then it would make little difference what the Constitution said on the issue.
212 posted on 12/13/2002 6:05:59 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Your State wound up taking it, just like every State in the Union became subservient to the Federal Government. Your clan hacked up the Constitution, to spite the very components of the Union - the STATES.
213 posted on 12/13/2002 7:52:24 PM PST by H.Akston
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You've tried to lie your way around me before, but you failed then and you will fail now.

There is a reason not a word was spoken on this subject at the Constitutional Convention and that is because it was unthinkable to those true patriots many of whom had risked all on the battlefield fighting for Independence.

You might want to enlighten yourself on the Declaration of Independence. It says that the states are "FREE AND INDEPENDENT", and as such have the right to levy war make peace, contract alliances, and do all things that INDEPENDENT STATES may of right do. The Constitution is an alliance. Federalist 39 says that the only bind to the Constitution is by the states' own VOLUNTARY acts. The Constitution does not bind the State into the Union, the State's choice of being a member of the Union is the ONLY THING that binds it, according to JAMES MADISON. What you are saying goes against the very spirit, grain and fabric of what America is founded on - independence and free will.

You need to bone up on the basic principles the country was founded on. You should use them as a guide, when forming opinions about the freedom of States to form and cancel alliances. You Liar.

214 posted on 12/13/2002 7:56:29 PM PST by H.Akston
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To: WhiskeyPapa
The Constitution does not bind the State into the Union, the State's choice of being a member of the Union is the ONLY THING that binds it, according to JAMES MADISON, IN FEDERALIST 39. Under natural law, not United States law. United States law makes the federal government supreme over the states, as Madison clearly stated on numerous occasions.

Natural law?? go back to reading your comic books. Say something coherent for a change. That's a lie there in your second sentence. Madison clearly stated in the Federalist Papers, that states are superior to the Federal government, in those areas where they have not ceded power. A power not enumerated remains with the States as inviolably as if the US govt. did not even exist. Again your upside-downness is showing. You so want the Federal to be superior to the States, but nothing in our founding documents supports that desire.

You fail to realize that it's the Constitution, and not the Federal Government which is supreme over BOTH The Federal Govt. and the States. The Constitution reserves the rights of the States to form a voluntary Union, so in this respect the States are superior to the Federal Government, according to what Madison said. It's a voluntary Union.

215 posted on 12/13/2002 8:05:58 PM PST by H.Akston
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The Constitution is not an alliance it is an act by the People of the United States.

"An Act"? It's ratification was a Federal, not a National act. Read Federalist 39. Federal acts are made by sovereign entities, which retain certain rights, that they have by virtue of being sovereign entities. Read the Declaration of Independence.

Stop lying.

Yes, please do that.

The States were not allowed to make the decision whether or not to ratify it. This was done by the American People in convention in the States.

Read Federalist 39. You'll find that the People of Each State acting in their sovereign capacity AS A STATE, ratified the Constitution You're a gross blathering shame to your country.

216 posted on 12/13/2002 8:16:04 PM PST by H.Akston
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To: WhiskeyPapa
There is nothing in the Constitution to prevent the president from suspending the Writ.

But see, the Constitution is a Grant of powers that never existed. Powers not granted do not exist. You have to find the place that gives the President the Power to suspend the writ. You can't, and therefore, it's not granted.

You see, the Government is not like the People. In fact, the Government is kind of an upside down case, or opposite of, the People. It doesn't start of with a bunch of rights, and only those that it gives up are the ones it loses. It starts out with no rights, and only the ones that we give it, are the ones that it has. We never gave the President the right to suspend Habeas Corpus. Suspending the right is a legislative prerogative, that's why we put it in Article I, and only in the certain cases we described, may the Congress suspend it.

217 posted on 12/13/2002 8:24:23 PM PST by H.Akston
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To: billbears
The vast majority of Americans know absolutely nothing about the US Constitution and what it authorizes

That's the really sad part.

218 posted on 12/13/2002 8:28:16 PM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: billbears
By legal secession or by nullification of laws the seperate and sovereign states disagree with.

We disagree on what constitutes legal secession so we won't go there, but ignoring laws that the state disagrees with? Article VI says that the "Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding." A state cannot nullify a law made under the Constitution and remain in the Union. If you can't live within the agreement then petition the other states to secede.

219 posted on 12/14/2002 6:34:17 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: stainlessbanner
Stainless, have these articles been posted to Freerepublic yet:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo34.html

and

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/lott.html

?

I'll go do a search on them -they're great.

I feel like Mr. DiLorenzo has been reading my opinions, but I know that the truth is just obvious to honest men like us:

"In Federalist #39 the Father of the Constitution wrote that the establishment of the constitutional order was to come from the assent of the people "not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong." The "whole nation" theory of constitutionalism is a myth that has been perpetrated by many decades in order to rationalize the centralization of governmental power. The Claremont Institute is a shameless promoter of this myth, and of the bloated federal leviathan that the myth serves to prop up. "

220 posted on 12/14/2002 7:35:26 AM PST by H.Akston
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