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Microorganism Isolated In Space
ScienceDaily News ^ | 12/18/2002 | Cardiff University's School of Biosciences, et al

Posted on 12/18/2002 6:27:43 AM PST by forsnax5

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To: forsnax5
Never heard of Echo I?

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21 posted on 12/18/2002 7:46:01 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: Thud
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22 posted on 12/18/2002 7:47:37 AM PST by Dark Wing
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To: AndrewC
The point I'm making is that organic material falling on the earth will also fall on the moon.

That sounds reasonable if organics are floating around freely in space. If they're restricted to comets and comet fragments, then dispersal without an atmosphere would be difficult.

I've always felt that comets were rather odd, BTW. I mean, they're described as being huge conglomerations of water ice and miscellaneous space detritus. They're as much a fixture of our solar system as planets. How could such things have been created in such numbers?

23 posted on 12/18/2002 7:55:17 AM PST by forsnax5
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To: ASA Vet
Never heard of Echo I?

Ha! You *can* send ballons to space in a rocket.

I stand corrected... :)

24 posted on 12/18/2002 7:59:45 AM PST by forsnax5
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To: forsnax5
If they're restricted to comets and comet fragments, then dispersal without an atmosphere would be difficult.

What part of the moon does not have a crater on it?

25 posted on 12/18/2002 8:15:46 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
What part of the moon does not have a crater on it?

How many of those craters were caused by comet impacts?

26 posted on 12/18/2002 8:21:49 AM PST by forsnax5
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To: forsnax5
How many of those craters were caused by comet impacts?

About the same proportion as those that impacted the earth.

27 posted on 12/18/2002 8:26:48 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
So many unknowns, so little funding... :)
28 posted on 12/18/2002 8:30:55 AM PST by forsnax5
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To: forsnax5
Repeat the experiment on Mars, Venus, or Titan. Then we'll see.
29 posted on 12/18/2002 8:43:31 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Sabertooth
"I think calling 20km to 41km "space" is a bit of a stretch, and the origins of these organisms are more likely to be from Earth itself than from comets."

Concur on this point. If they trap some bacteria from geosynchronous orbit or trans-lunar space, THEN they have "something to crow about".

"We're finding germs in the bowels of the planet, so it's not a surprise they've made it to the stratosphere."

Yeah! I now believe that the "biosphere" started to develop as soon as the earth warmed enough to form liquid water in the interstices of the planet--LONG before there was life on the surface.

30 posted on 12/18/2002 8:45:12 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: forsnax5
Does the Koran allow this?
31 posted on 12/18/2002 10:31:59 AM PST by SevenDaysInMay
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To: Sabertooth
There was another article today about the independent confirmation of the space-microbe rain.
32 posted on 12/18/2002 11:23:58 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
There was another article today about the independent confirmation of the space-microbe rain.

Well, just to quibble, this article here isn't affirmation subject to confirmation in the first place. Speculation, as it stands.

Gotta link to the other one?




33 posted on 12/18/2002 11:35:10 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Microbes Rain Down from Space? The data collection is just beginning. Until we get out there to some other planets and the moon and collect similar data, it's going to be controversial. It's the theory of panspermia all right, and we will just have to wait and collect data. Much too soon to call it one way or the other.
34 posted on 12/18/2002 11:41:51 AM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Much too soon to call it one way or the other.

That I'll go along with. There is also the possibility that our solar system is unique, so we're decades away, at the least, from demonstrating widespread panspermia.

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.




35 posted on 12/18/2002 11:45:02 AM PST by Sabertooth
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To: forsnax5
How could such things have been created in such numbers?

Next time some wiseacre kid of 4 asks why the sky is blue or the grass is green, fire that one back at him. Maybe he'll take up science as a career and figure it out and tell the rest of us.

36 posted on 12/18/2002 12:03:29 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: ASA Vet
Never heard of Echo I?

Side story:

They used to publish schedules of "Echo I" visibility on newspapers; I frequently observed it passing overhead in the evening sky.

37 posted on 12/18/2002 1:45:51 PM PST by longshadow
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To: general_re
If you can survive at 41 km up, you're not far away from being able to survive in space itself....

An important point that is NOT addressed in the article is the reason for suspecting that the microbes are other than terrestial in origin: the convection layer of the Earth's atmosphere doesn't extend to 40km. IOW, there aren't many other viable mechanism for transporting large volumes of microbial material from the earth's surface to these altitudes.

Really big volcanic eruptions could probably do it, as would really big meteorite impacts, but both are fairly rare events.

Beyond that, I'm hard pressed to see how the buggers get up there (unless someone can show that Brownian motion is sufficient to propel microbes to an altitude of 40km (about 125,000 feet.) Hitch-hiking on rockets and stratospheric research ballons is about the only other imaginable sources, neither of which would ever get any significant volume of microbes up there.

38 posted on 12/18/2002 1:58:47 PM PST by longshadow
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To: forsnax5
Is this just recycled news? This was on FR several months ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/777529/posts
39 posted on 12/18/2002 2:13:42 PM PST by e_engineer
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To: e_engineer
Is this just recycled news?

A different article, but the same subject. I missed the October post -- there's some interesting comments on that one. Thanks for the link...

40 posted on 12/18/2002 2:22:24 PM PST by forsnax5
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