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Cal Thomas on Fox just nailed a PETA Doctor!
FOX News | 12/26/02 | me

Posted on 12/26/2002 5:56:36 PM PST by therut

Did anyone else see Cal Thomas(filling in for O'Reiley) slam the physician about the school luch programs. This was the same physician that was on the Washington Journal this a.m. talking about suing the fast food industries and wanting to take meat,milk and cheese out of the school lunch programs. He sounded real good this morning. Well Cal brought out that his spouse who he filed his tax returns with was the president of PETA. He denied he had a spouse but not that he filed tax return with "someone" as a spouse or that they are the president of PETA. He got kinda shook up. Cal also brought out that his group had received over a million dollars from PETA in donations. Wonder who his so called un-married spouse is??? The animal rights groups are atacking at the school level now. Kinda like the anti-gun and anti- everything left is getting more control of our society very slyly.

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To: sistergoldenhair

Dr. Barnard has been instrumental in revolutionizing federal dietary guidelines.

Neal Barnard, M. D., a psychiatrist, started a group, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), which advocates medicine based on nutritious vegetarian diets and other positive life style changes, rather than reliance on animal experimentation and the use of drugs and surgery.

41 posted on 12/26/2002 9:08:26 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Irene Adler
I bet it was the same guy; this guy did not look healthy. He had a weird kind of almost greenish tint to his skin, and looked somewhat gaunt.
42 posted on 12/26/2002 9:10:47 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: SupplySider
The beef industry has contributed to more American deaths than all the wars of this century, all natural disasters, and all automobile accidents combined.

Neal Barnard, M.D.

43 posted on 12/26/2002 9:13:27 PM PST by kcvl
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To: B Knotts
Inhuman Animal Protection

John D. Young, V.M.D., M.S., Dipl. A.C.L.A.M.
Source: The Washington Times
July 28, 2002

Despite its name, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine pursues extreme animal rights campaigns against health charities and vital biomedical research.

In weighing Neal Barnard's rant about biomedical research, ("Animalistic Methods of Testing," July 14) it is important to understand that his perspective is intrinsically linked with an extreme animal rights philosophy.

Throughout its 17-year history, Dr. Barnard's organization, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), has found common cause with its sister group, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) whose leadership equates the life of a rat with that of a child. Both PCRM and PETA have launched initiatives aimed at stopping the humane and responsible use of laboratory animals in biomedical research. In the process, both PCRM and PETA have attacked several of the nation's leading health research charities and have sought to drive physicians and scientists away from their quest to improve human and animal health.

In response to PCRM's campaign of misinformation against important animal research on AIDS, the House of Delegates of the California Medical Association "voted unanimously to register the strongest objection to the lies and misrepresentations promulgated by (Neal Barnard's) organization."

Despite its name, only about 5% of PCRM's membership are physicians. Recently PCRM has been spending much of its $2.9 million dollar annual budget attempting to re-invent itself as a health/consumer watchdog group and draw media attention away from its adherence to the animal rights agenda.

Nevertheless, PCRM has continued to promote that agenda in its joint campaign with PETA against America's leading health charities that fund animal based biomedical research. We are not only talking about the March of Dimes, but also the American Heart Association , the American Cancer Society, St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, American Foundation for AIDS Research, The Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation, The American Red Cross and, yes, even Boys Town. Seventy charities in all are currently on PCRM/PETA's "don't donate" list. These are organizations that through their grants and contributions to biomedical research are responsible for hundreds of specific achievements in medical progress. These achievements range from development of the polio vaccine to the latest in genetic discoveries including identifying the genetic basis for diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and many types of cancer.

News of the fruits of medical research using animals can be found nearly every day in The Washington Times. Medical research using animals has been vital to the development of new antibiotics, blood transfusions, kidney dialysis, organ transplantation, vaccinations, chemotherapy, bypass surgery and joint replacement. Medical research using animals has also produced CT scans, PET scans and other state-of-the-art diagnostic devices that Neal Barnard incorrectly alleges can replace animals in medical research.

Even other animal groups disagree with PCRM's stance on animal-based research. Just this past week, Andrew Rowan, a senior vice president of the Humane Society of the United States told a reporter for The Philadelphia Inquirer, "It is probably not possible to (halt testing on animals) without harmful effects on humans."

I am a veterinarian involved in biomedical research, and along with my colleagues and Dr. Rowan, I look forward to the time that it will no longer be necessary to use laboratory animals to achieve the medical advances we seek. But PCRM is being disingenuous in suggesting that their use could be ended today. The "humane seal charities" championed by Neal Barnard--the majority involved in patient assistance, not research--do provide "essential health services" and they deserve our support. But the vital and necessary work performed by an AIDS hospice provides no hope for effective treatments or cures for millions of AIDS patients worldwide.

Dr. Barnard can barely contain his glee over the departure of researcher Michael Podell from Ohio State University. For three years Dr. Podell courageously withstood not only relentless criticism of his research into HIV/AIDS by groups such as PCRM and PETA (not the public as stated by Neal Barnard), but also death threats that targeted him and his young family. Dr. Podell's experience is matched by those of many other scientists throughout America whose vital work has been impeded by a small, vocal minority of activists on the fringe of the animal rights movement.

Dr. Barnard's mischaracterization of Dr. Podell's research is an example of how PCRM works to discredit research methods important to understanding disease. Dr. Podell's studies involved the use of cats infected with the feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV), a well-documented model of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). Both the HIV infection in humans and the FIV infection in cats cause a slow degeneration of the nervous system as the virus thrives in the body.

The very week he announced his departure from OSU, Dr. Podell and his team published a finding in the prestigious Journal of NeuroVirology. Dr. Podell's work demonstrated that methamphetamine abuse results in a drastic stimulation of FIV replication which results in accelerated brain cell death and spreading of the virus throughout the body. This finding could answer important questions about how lentiviruses such as FIV and HIV can gain a foothold in the brain. This knowledge is vital in slowing or lessening the dementia that often accompanies AIDS and similar diseases. This research will also help scientists learn more about the mechanisms at the root of this debilitating and brain damaging disease complex, knowledge that can be applied to other neurological diseases, such as stroke, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's diseases.

Ironically, PCRM is opposing research that could help animals, too. FIV is a serious problem in the cat population, and therapies that result from Dr. Podell's studies could be applicable to this natural cat disease.

Readers interested in learning more about this research and the extremely
high standards of care that laboratory animals receive at Ohio State University (and at research facilities throughout America) can see more on the OSU website. For more information on the ethical and humane nature of scientists' necessary work with animals in biomedical research, I encourage your readers to visit the Americans for Medical Progress website.

John D. Young, V.M.D., M.S., Dipl. A.C.L.A.M.
Chairman, Americans for Medical Progress Educational Foundation

Copyright retained by The Washington Times.

44 posted on 12/26/2002 9:18:42 PM PST by kcvl
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To: SupplySider

What’s going on?! On our “Amazing Inventions” pages you’ll find “caviar” - not that goop torn from a mother sturgeon’s tummy, but a vegan taste-alike called “Cavi*Art.” It sounds odd, doesn’t it? Faux fish? Even odder to me is remembering that I used to fish! I would stand in the warm Gulf Stream waters in my shorts, enjoying the sunshine and the surf and thinking peaceful thoughts. Did I think that those fish, the ones I watched struggle on my hook, were fake? How else can I explain that I blithely impaled them, handed them to my father to gut, and then threw my line into the water again? Who said humans are “thinking animals”?

"Dolphin-safe tuna" isn't good enough. We want "tuna-safe tuna."

Many people eat fish without catching them, but they are just paying someone else to do the dirty work. Most commercially sold fish are caught in enormous nets, which not only are cruel to fish, but also kill turtles, sea birds and dolphins. Please join me in saying “dolphin-safe tuna” isn’t good enough. We want “tuna-safe tuna” and “sea lion-safe salmon,” and the only way to have that is to say, “I’ll take the fake fish, please”!

For the animals,

Ingrid E. Newkirk

45 posted on 12/26/2002 9:26:57 PM PST by kcvl
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To: therut

---"Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective. We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works."
- Ingrid Newkirk, President and Co-Founder of PETA

---PeTA co-founder Ingrid Newkirk once said even if animal research resulted in a cure for AIDS, "we'd be against it."

---"Six million Jews died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughter houses."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PeTA, The Washington Post, November 13, 1983.

---"Humans have grown like a cancer. We're the biggest blight on the face of the earth." (Reader's Digest, June, 1990)

---"I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down."
-Ingrid Newkirk, President, PeTA, National Animal Rights Convention '97, June 27, 1997

---“We’re reduced sometimes to doing stupid things to make serious points. Society doesn’t have the attention span it used to and we just have to put the animal’s plight in front of the public, come hell or high water,” Ingrid Newkirk, President, PeTA, tells ABC NEWS.

---"Arson, property destruction, burglary and theft are 'acceptable crimes' when used for the animal cause."
-Alex Pacheco, Director, PeTA

---"When it comes to feelings, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy."

---"We feel that animals have the same rights as retarded children."
-Alex Pacheco, Director, PeTA, New York Times, January 14, 1989.

---"To those people who say, `My father is alive because of animal experimentation,' I say `Yeah, well, good for you. This dog died so your father could live.' Sorry, but I am just not behind that kind of trade off."
-- Bill Maher, PeTA celebrity spokesman

---"If the death of one rat cured all diseases, it wouldn't make any difference to me."
-- Chris De Rose, Director, Last Chance for Animals

---"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation."
-- Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA

---"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind,"
-- Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA

46 posted on 12/26/2002 9:29:54 PM PST by kcvl
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To: therut
Even painless research is fascism, supremacist, because the act of confinement is traumatizing in itself.
-- Ingrid Newkirk, Washingtonian, Aug. 1986

You don't have to own squirrels and starlings to get enjoyment from them ... One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV.
-- Ingrid Newkirk, Chicago Daily Herald, March 1, 1990.
47 posted on 12/26/2002 9:35:17 PM PST by kcvl
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To: B Knotts
I am not a morose person, but I would rather not be here. I don't have any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would rather see a blank space where I am. This will sound like fruitcake stuff again, but at least I won't be harming anything.

-- Ingrid Newkirk, as quoted in Washington Post, 03 Nov. 1983.

48 posted on 12/26/2002 9:36:43 PM PST by kcvl
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To: potlatch
They had a brief shot of the 'vegan' doctor still trying to say something when he was cut off!

Yes. What he was saying when he got cut off was, "Our web site address is www..." It was great.

49 posted on 12/26/2002 9:38:11 PM PST by alnick
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To: therut
"We feel that animals have the same rights as a retarded human child."

New York Times, January 14, 1989 by Alex Pacheco

50 posted on 12/26/2002 9:38:23 PM PST by kcvl
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To: therut
I saw Cal nail the guy too!

A Great moment!
51 posted on 12/26/2002 9:40:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: templar
Was it tax returns that Cal nailed him on? After he smugly told Cal "I'm not married, so I think that says a lot about your sources", Cal shot back about the Doctor having a "spousal co-signer" on what I thought I heard him say was "credit applications".
52 posted on 12/26/2002 9:42:07 PM PST by Wondervixen
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To: therut
Give Me a Break!

BARBARA WALTERS, ABCNEWS Almost all of us like animals. And we certainly want them treated ethically. So, who could complain about a group called People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? John Stossel could complain.
And you do in tonight’s column, GIVE ME A BREAK!

JOHN STOSSEL, ABCNEWS I like animals, too, Barbara. But some of these animal rights activists are getting pretty extreme.
(VO) US Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman was about to make a speech when suddenly...
(Woman shown jumping over pulpit to dump pan full of something on Dan Glickman)

1ST WOMAN Shame on you, Dan Glickman, you meat pimp. Shame on you.

JOHN STOSSEL (VO) The woman is a member of PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. She doesn’t like the government’s involvement with the meat business. PETA activists were also arrested for setting this fire on the steps of the US capitol building to complain about pork production.

2ND WOMAN If we did to cats and dogs what they do to pigs, we’d be locked up.

JOHN STOSSEL (VO) And don’t drink milk. That’s cruel to cows.

3RD WOMAN The cows that are used for milk are turned into milk-producing machines.

JOHN STOSSEL (VO) So they ran an ad campaign encouraging college students to drink beer instead of milk. And they offered them a free bottle opener. Just what we need, more students drinking beer.
PETA’s a very trendy charity. Celebrities like it.

ALEC BALDWIN (From PETA ad) I’m Alec Baldwin with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

JOHN STOSSEL (VO) PETA objects to eating fish. This protest in Boston calls fishing “bloody” and “cruel.”
They want the Green Bay Packers—the name comes from meat packers—to change their name to Pickers, as in vegetable pickers.
(Clip shown of Green Bay Packers game)

JOHN STOSSEL (VO) Is that a good name for a football team?
PETA protested the TV hit “Survivor” because contestants ate rats.

PETA PROTEST GROUP (In unison) Rats have rights!

JOHN STOSSEL (VO) Then they had the nerve to eat chicken. They protested that, too.
(Clip shown from “Survivor”)

JOHN STOSSEL (VO) PETA protested that, too.

INGRID NEWKIRK We have to give a voice to those chickens and make people see that they, too, feel.

JOHN STOSSEL (VO) Ingrid Newkirk, president of PETA, says animals are tortured in factory farms.

INGRID NEWKIRK They are today’s concentration camps.

JOHN STOSSEL The concentration camps killed six million people. You’re talking chickens. There’s a difference.

INGRID NEWKIRK There are lots of differences. The thing is, that the concentration camps of today are the chicken farms. And we should look at that and be honest about it.

JOHN STOSSEL Oh, please. Aren’t people more important than animals? And what about the benefits of animal research?
Don’t we learn from these experiments?

INGRID NEWKIRK I think we learn how insensitive we can be.

JOHN STOSSEL But the scientists aren’t sadists. They wouldn’t torture animals if there was no reason for it. Studies on mice, rats, will save lives.

INGRID NEWKIRK No. No studies, I believe, on mice or rats will save lives. It is not good science to pretend that a mouse is a little man. Their physiology is completely different.

JOHN STOSSEL (VO) But we’re not that different. Organ transplants, polio vaccine and much more were all developed through animal tests. PETA says all animals feel pain. So, in that sense, a rat is a dog is a pig is a boy. I say, ‘GIVE ME A BREAK!’

BARBARA WALTERS Well, John, this year, they may have even more to complain about because the latest fashion accessory is more and more fur.

JOHN STOSSEL Fur, right. And I—I sympathize with PETA about that one. I won’t buy fur. But this, ‘a rat is a boy’ stuff, just goes too far.

BARBARA WALTERS Well, if you’ve got a pet peeve—excuse me—and you want to sound off, visit John’s Web page by logging on to We’ll be right back.

53 posted on 12/26/2002 9:42:11 PM PST by kcvl
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To: the_doc

Yes, I saw this segment while exercising following a meat-filled day.

I have news for this goon - most of the dietary problems in this country do not stem from MEAT, but rather from all of the over-processed crap that we eat. And most of that comes from plants -- sugars, refined flours, etc. That's why everyone weighs 300 pounds and blows out their pancreases by the time they are 60 in this country.
54 posted on 12/26/2002 9:44:09 PM PST by BamaDave
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To: fabriclady
Cal HAS his own show on FOX Saturday nights
55 posted on 12/26/2002 9:47:02 PM PST by Wondervixen
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To: kcvl
I am not a morose person, but I would rather not be here. I don't have any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would rather see a blank space where I am. This will sound like fruitcake stuff again, but at least I won't be harming anything. -- Ingrid Newkirk, as quoted in Washington Post, 03 Nov. 1983.

This is the most telling comment. I think the bottom line is that many of these people have very low self-worth, and they hold the rest of humanity in the same low esteem.

56 posted on 12/26/2002 9:47:57 PM PST by briant
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To: BamaDave
"Meat eating is primitive, barbaric, and arrogant." --

Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) City Paper, 1985, Feb. 1990
57 posted on 12/26/2002 9:55:12 PM PST by kcvl
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To: briant
Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine PCRM President Neal Barnard is also the president of the Foundation to Support Animal Protection, which shares a mailing address with PETA. Ingrid Newkirk, PETA’s president, is listed as a “Director” of the same foundation. As of 1998, its assets were in excess of $2 million, and its tax filings list both groups as “supported organizations.” Specific amounts were not released for public inspection. Barnard is also PETA’s Medical and Scientific Adviser.
58 posted on 12/26/2002 9:57:34 PM PST by kcvl
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To: therut
Well Cal brought out that his spouse who he filed his tax returns with was the president of PETA. He denied he had a spouse but not that he filed tax return with "someone" as a spouse or that they are the president of PETA. He got kinda shook up.

Gosh Golly Gee ain't that just special ..

59 posted on 12/26/2002 9:59:13 PM PST by Mo1
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To: briant
Neal Barnard (a psychiatrist who writes books on nutrition) was once PETA's science advisor.
60 posted on 12/26/2002 10:00:05 PM PST by kcvl
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