Ancient Navigators Could Have Measured Longitude -- in Egypt in 232 B.C. !

21st Century: Science and Technology Magazine ^ | Fall 2001 | Rick Sanders

[Arkady]

"Moors defeated the Tours in 732...4th grade history."

I suppose, if you were raised in a Moorish training-camp.

[John Locke]

Here is an experiment you (and others) can do.

Go and look at an online copy of the Piri Re'is map, here.

Notice the weird shape of South America. At first sight, hopelessly wrong. But wait. The good admiral claimed that his map was stitced together from many older maps, some of which came from the Library of Alexandria.

Now go to this interesting website. It lets you plot your own map.

On the form, enter the following values (you can experiment with everything else):

Center of map: latitude 23.5, longitude 30.0.

Explanation - that is the point of intersection of the Meridian of Alexandria and the Tropic of Cancer. It will become the center of projection of a map in Azimuthal Equidistant projection. You can produce a map of the entire world if you like, but please try this one too.

Center of Page: latitude 0, longitude -30.

Explanation: that is approximately the location of the big rose in the middle of the extant piece of the Piri Re'is map.

Continents to include: at least Africa and South America. Experiment with Europe, North America, and Antarctica.

Map scale: 1000 km/cm give about the same scale as the picture.

Click on "generate map". Compare the result with Piri Re'is. Be astonished.

[SunkenCiv]

We're having a sail tonight on old topics, and boy do we have a raft of 'em.

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[Graymatter]

bump for later - longitude in 232BC bwahaha!

[Graymatter]

Come on, there were some good times after the Hyksos.

[Graymatter]

PROBABLE SMOKE OF THE EGYPTIAN VOYAGE IN 232 BC

[blam]

"I never heard of Rata and Maui. That could be OK. I search on Rata, Maui, and Eratosthenes and get nine hits, LaRouchies and Cold-Fusioneers predominating. That's not so good. More people should have heard of this. It's an apocryphal story, the main evidence for which seems to be a Maori legend and an inscription of which most of the scholarly world seems unaware."

Thanks for the post. You said it well, I've never heard of this before...and, I've heard something about everything, lol.

[SunkenCiv]

I almost choked laughing at that.

Mystery of the Cocaine Mummies
http://lime.weeg.uiowa.edu/~anthro/webcourse/lost/coctrans.htm (dead link)
8 September 1996 | EQUINOX - Channel 4 - UK
Posted on 03/25/2005 8:28:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1371036/posts

[ApplegateRanch]

Now THIS was fascinating! Thanks a bunch.

[VadeRetro]

Didn't really mean to imply I'd never heard of Maui, of course. Spent a few days at Kaanapali Beach in 1980.

[SunkenCiv]

:') As someone noted much earlier, the source is Lyndon Larouche's tech magazine, and he's, well, we all know I think. But there's always plenty to like in each issue, along with some stuff that's just a soapbox.

[ApplegateRanch]

Oh, yes; we all know about Uncca Lyndie; but the OTHER links, maps, references, articles, and arguments posted into the thread...

Kept me busy & out of trouble for awhile.

[SunkenCiv]

:')

[SunkenCiv]

On Eratosthenes, Maui's Voyage of Discovery, and Reviving The Principle of Discovery Today
by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.
Reprinted from FIDELIO Magazine, Vol .8, No 1, Spring 1999
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_97-01/991erost_lhl.html

SCRAPPING THE USUAL ACADEMIC FRAUDS
`Go With the Flow':
Why Scholars Lied About Ulysses' Transatlantic Crossing
by Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr.
October 19, 1998
This article appeared in the November 20, 1998 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1998/lar_go_with_flow_2546.html

[s/b "Scrapping the Usual Academic Frauds, and going with a whole new set" -- Samuel Butler, 100 years ago, built his case for the idea that the Odyssey was written by a woman, who furthermore lived on Sicily or one of the neighboring small islands. The Odyssey certainly reads like a romance novel. LaRouche is a demagogue; he hates Israel, ridicules the Holocaust's significance, and saddles on anything, even ancient navigation, if he can twist it to his own uses.]

[tarheelswamprat]

Imagine all of Europe being an arab state. No western culture.

Just wait a few years and you won't have to imagine it; you can then observe it.

[SunkenCiv]

First ever English translation of The Constellations attributed to Eratosthenes, the geographer and director of the Library at Alexandria

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[SunkenCiv]

From 2003. Just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.

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[wita]

Long before that I'd say, round about the time Abraham went to Egypt, but then what is meant by "Christianized".

[wita]

Right out of the blue, and about as ignorant a reply as I've had the displeasure of reading. I'm just a bit tired of supposed Christians with an agenda related to anything they don't understand, can't comprehend, haven't studied sufficiently, and won't because they think they know it all.

That is my initial reaction, and it displeases me that I need to start out that way. First, the voyage you are talking about was 600 years BC. not 232. The people were NOT Jews. There is more, but you will excuse me if I don't carry this any further. I thought this thread was about navigation, which relates to astronomy and the knowledge gained by man allowing world travel. I suggest, that your small and belittling post does not help at all.

High hopes our next contact will be more cordial.

[muawiyah]

? ~ you're referring to an earlier time, but wasn't that just a simple takeover by outsiders, not a "destruction".