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[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

You are absolutely right. I think you can draw a more or less straight line from the enlightenment movement in the 1700's, through the French revolution, through the terrors, that followed, through Marx, through 20th century totalitarianism (communism, nazism etc.) right up through today's enviro-pacifist-islamophile loony left.

Either you believe in an imperfect man and a perfect God, or you believe in a perfect (or perfectable) man.

If you opt for a perfect God and imperfect man, you come up with a Christian based society and a system of checks and balances much like our founding fathers envisioned.

If you opt for a perfect or perfectable man you end up with a utopian society where you abolish all sins, suffering, imperfection, poverty, illness whatever.

It all stems from your basic philosphic/spiritual/relgious outlook and oh by the way, anytime utopia has been tried it has failed miserably and at great human cost.

I think the (French) enlightenment is the source of much of what ails us today - they wanted to advance science and diminish the role of an oppressive church and monarchy. But they did not have the wisdom of Jefferson, Adams, Madison et. al. They valued the individual but never saw his inherent imperfections.

Good post.

[Russell Scott]

Yep. If they don't think they have a disease (sin), they won't have to think about the cure (Jesus Christ). The spirit of deception is great, that’s why it doesn't matter how much sense something makes, hey just can't accept it, because truth is like a lie to us right thinking people. In other words, liberals embrace lies because they wholeheartedly believe a lie is actually the truth. They will keep trying because they somehow believe that if they try hard enough, the lie will become truth. Of course it never will, and that’s why many of them are unhappy and frustrated. It is also why they are often dangerous and destructive.

John 1
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

2 Thessalonians 2
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

[MSCASEY]

You are very judgmental!! I assume you are not a Christian. I am a conservative and a Christian and a VEGETARIAN.

Before the fall no one ate meat. God gave man and the animals food without meat. Animals will not kill or be killed in heaven. Who made you in charge of the world?

[thinktwice]

"Original sin."

I am not guilty.

[Fiddlstix]

Good Post

[BeAllYouCanBe]

"All reject the classic theological principal, held by traditional Christians of various denominations the world over, of original sin. "


We have many people who are evil and the leftist like to make sure we remember them. Take for example, Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer and Charles Manson.(George W. Bush is in this list but I didn't want to include him for your sensivity.)

I believe what is being taught in colleges today is the doctrine above -- that all men are good except white men -- and all white men are bad unless they are gay. So you are correct but must include the caucasian factor that takes out Europeans/Euro-Ancestry from "the all are good" hypothesis.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Here is a blast from the past. Thomas Hobbes' Leviathan:

Part IV. Of the Kingdom of Darkness

Chap. xliv. Of Spiritual Darkness From Misinterpretation of Scripture

Besides these sovereign powers, divine and human, of which I have hitherto discoursed, there is mention in Scripture of another power, namely, that of "the rulers of the darkness of this world," [Ephesians, 6. 12] "the kingdom of Satan," [Matthew, 12. 26] and "the principality of Beelzebub over demons," [Ibid., 9. 34] that is to say, over phantasms that appear in the air: for which cause Satan is also called "the prince of the power of the air";[Ephesians, 2. 2] and, because he ruleth in the darkness of this world, "the prince of this world":[John, 16. 11] and in consequence hereunto, they who are under his dominion, in opposition to the faithful, who are the "children of the light," are called the "children of darkness." For seeing Beelzebub is prince of phantasms, inhabitants of his dominion of air and darkness, the children of darkness, and these demons, phantasms, or spirits of illusion, signify allegorically the same thing. This considered, the kingdom of darkness, as it is set forth in these and other places of the Scripture, is nothing else but a confederacy of deceivers that, to obtain dominion over men in this present world, endeavour, by dark and erroneous doctrines, to extinguish in them the light, both of nature and of the gospel; and so to disprepare them for the kingdom of God to come.

[Texas Eagle]

Wow. You've got a book in the making.

[GWB00]

Good post! As Dennis Prager would say, your biggest battle in life is not with society it is with yourself.

[cardinal4]

that problems are EXTERNALLY caused by "the system" so if we overthrow or change that system (or systems) we'll all just get along....

Good post, because its very true.

[dark_lord]

Overall the point is good, and mainly the leftist movements are composed of anti-God forces, or those ignorant of God, and those under the influence of the dark side. However.

There have been many anti-war Christian groups. The Quakers, to cite one example. It is invalid to assume that because someone is anti-war that they therefore do not believe in original sin or are on the side of the forces of darkness.

[Mr. Jeeves]

A straight-forward answer is this: All reject the classic theological principal, held by traditional Christians of various denominations the world over, of original sin.

Sorry, I don't buy Original Sin (tm) either. Original Amorality, on the other hand, remains a fact - Little People have to be properly socialized into acceptable Big People. The groups mentioned in the article just don't like the limits that socialization places on their licentious tendencies.

[JohnGalt]

The Enlightenment Era philosophers were looking to create a set of philosophical rules that rivaled the church. In the 1700s the philosophy and theology could exist harmoniously because the rules of society were pretty much the same, save the basis of where the rules came from the Creator (i.e. laws of the universe like gravity) or the New Testament.

Enlightenment philosophers who believed in the triumph of reason were weary of accepting that God came to earth since it was not 'rational.' Of course, the belief that man observed the rules of the creator opened a Pandora's box for future philosophers like Engel's and Marx just 50 years later to observe it was not the pursuit of freedom that drove man, but class conflict. Who is to say who is right or wrong?

Thus are the limits of philosophy. The tension between liberals (post-Enlighten thinkers) and conservatives (Christians) made a powerful and unique culture in the United States, however, the country had turned its back on its Enlightenment founding in the name of a centralized state and a centralized culture.