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California Bishop to Gov: Oppose Abortion or No Communion (New Title)
The Sacramento Bee ^ | 23 Jan 03 | Pamela Martineau

Posted on 01/24/2003 2:54:43 PM PST by Mr. Silverback

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:47:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Mr. Silverback
There are a lot of Catholics who are pro-choice. Does the bishop want all Catholics to stop receiving Holy Communion?" asked Lopez. "Who's going to be left in church?"

Stupid socialist, stay out of our religion.

41 posted on 01/25/2003 2:24:12 AM PST by Rome2000
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To: robertpaulsen
Tithing comparisons between the Catholic and the Mormon Church

Tithing is mandated by the LDS Church -- but is not mandated by the Catholic Church








The Catholic Church tells us tithing is voluntary ... perhaps about 1/40th of your wage ... or about 2.5 percent. And, then, this is according to your ability to pay. There is no commandment or "law."

In contrast, tithing IS a law and mandated commandment for the LDS, Mormon Church member. He must pay 10% of his GROSS income regardless of income level or ability to pay. Failure to pay this payment means denial of status, entrance to the Mormon Temple, a good celestial life, salvation, and other blessings.

The law of tithing is frequently enforced by frequent private interviews with your bishop and stake president (minister). You can't be issued a temple recommend unless you state that you pay an honest full tithing.

Unfortunately, in addition to this 10% tithing, LDS members donate "fast offerings" and many other donations. One of these, above and beyond the tithe, is the financing of your children on Mormon missions. This can be a devastating and crippling expense for low or mid-income families since missions are also mandated and commanded by the church. Families are expected to foot the hefty bill for these missions. Mormonism, then, is a very expensive religion to join.

There is no commanded tithing in the Catholic Religion. You are expected to pay a tithe of only what you can afford .... a much more realistic approach to tithing. Besides that, Catholic tithing donations go toward paying their ministers. (Mormon ministers receive no pay -- only the very top hierarchy receive pay -- some with fat salaries and perks)

The following article was written to the Catholic members to explain tithing in the Catholic Church:







Catholicism Straight Answers: Are We Required to Tithe?
By Fr. William Saunders HERALD Columnist


Although we may not have a rule of tithing, we do have the duty to support the needs of the Church, whether at the international, diocesan or parish level. Each of us should evaluate what we do "give back to God" through our support of the Church and charitable organization.

For example, we should ask, "Do I give to God each week at least what I spend on entertainment, such as movies? Do I give to God at least one hour's worth of my 40 hour pay check?"



Fr. Saunders is pastor of Queen of Apostles Church in Alexandria.





42 posted on 01/25/2003 2:31:15 AM PST by Rome2000
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To: robertpaulsen
If Catholic politicians followed the rulings of the Catholic church in their legislative decisions, then what happens to the church-state issue?

What 'church-state issue' ???

I'm an atheist, but I do fully support a Catholic or other religious person in voting within a legislative body based on their conviction and instruction from their clergy.

The only thing I would see as problematic is for the Pope to issue decrees from Rome being accepted as the secular authority of law.

I also see no problem with a Bishop running for political office or being appointed as a judge. If they are citizens of the United States, registered to vote and over 18, they have every right.

We get the Religious Left running for office (i.e. the gay religionists, the eco-fascist religionists, the Marxist religionists, etc.), so why not a Catholic nun or priest?

As a matter of secular argument, the societal practice of abortion is ritual mass murder upon the altars dedicated to idolatrous vanities, a collective human sacrifice to pagan idols.

Is a pagan "pro-choice" religionist any more entitled to the rights and freedoms of this republic than anty other citizen?

43 posted on 01/25/2003 2:47:38 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
How exactly does the evil of Bernard Law and a few other moral morons preclude Wiegand from speaking out against baby-killing hypocrites?

It doesn't. The Religious Left is upset by it though. Too bad.

The Religious Left is indeed a collection of religious philosophies and practices. See my previous post, #43...

Ask yourself: How is it that the Rev. Jesse Jackson can run for President of the United States and Bishop Wiegand cannot?

44 posted on 01/25/2003 3:01:49 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Campion
Nice.

Pretty hard to counter that fine post of yours.
45 posted on 01/25/2003 6:11:29 AM PST by Notwithstanding (America: Home of Abortion on Demand - 42,000,000 Slaughtered)
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To: Cultural Jihad
oh, Ok,

You must remember though, people come across articles from various resources which contain different titles, like this post and the other that was posted earlier. And, many posters don't use keywords, that's why sometimes you have more than one post on the same topic.
46 posted on 01/25/2003 9:01:27 AM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Sign the petition, I did:

http://www.cathfam.org/cfexcom/Excom.html

Herod's Heroes:

http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2001May/2001hh.htm

http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/2002Mar/house.htm

Pray the Rosary:
http://www.rosariesforlife.org/information.asp

Very Important Thread for Catholics
Living the Gospel of Life:
A Challenge to American Catholics
A Statement by the Catholic Bishops of the United States

http://www.nccbuscc.org/prolife/gospel.htm

Vote Catholic and get on their e mail list, larryvote@aol.com
http://www.catholicvote.org

Catechism
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a5.htm#2270 http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a5.htm
Canon Law
http://members.aol.com/abtrbng/canonl.htm
Humanae Vitae
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul06/p6humana.htm

VERITATIS SPLENDOR
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_06081993_veritatis-splendor_en.html
OCTAGESIMA ADVENIENS
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul06/p6oct.htm
Evangelium Vitae
http://www.newadvent.org/docs/jp02ev.htm
End Socialism
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11QUADR.HTM
The Bible's Teaching Against Abortion
By: Fr. Frank A. Pavone
http://www.priestsforlife.org/brochures/thebible.html
Catholic Activism
http://www.diocesereport.com/guest_col/kopp_activism_march01.shtml
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/780464/posts
47 posted on 01/25/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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