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Calif. Bishop To Gov. Davis: Pick Abortion Or Communion [formal excommunication?]
National Catholic Register ^ | Feb, 2-9, 2003 | WAYNE LAUGESEN

Posted on 01/28/2003 12:31:41 PM PST by Polycarp

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To: Xenalyte
You can only have a tonsillectomy once, though. Abortions, on the other hand....
61 posted on 01/28/2003 4:58:57 PM PST by The Grammarian
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To: victim soul
Unless the Pope starts excommunicating Catholic politicians for their stances on abortion, I doubt many bishops will resort to that drastic step.

But, public advocacy of abortion, as Davis and others have done, is contrary to Catholic teaching and Bishop Weigand and other priests who encounter Davis when he presents himself to receive the Eucharist should give him a blessing, and send him on his way.

If there's a "backlash," well, then, so be it.

62 posted on 01/28/2003 5:01:00 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Desdemona
Obviously some priests have lied to Lopez.
63 posted on 01/28/2003 6:17:10 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: sinkspur
Thomas More in "The Sadress of Christ,"spokes of the "two swords," saying that Christ not only discouraged the use of the sword of iron(which belongs to the secular magistrate) but even of the spiritual sword (of excommunication). "Rather wield with vigor that sword of the word, whose stroke, like that of the scapel, lets the pus out and heals by wounding. As for that other and heavy sword of excommunication, I desire it to be kept hidden in the sheath of mercy unless some urgent and fearful necessity requites that it be withdrawn."
64 posted on 01/28/2003 6:27:21 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Polycarp
Bishop William Weigand bump,
now why can't the other bishops be so brave?
65 posted on 01/28/2003 7:27:56 PM PST by Coleus (RU 486 Kills Babies)
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To: B Knotts
We must pray for the conversion of the governor's heart.

Or an idictment, whatever comes first (my money's on the indictment)...

66 posted on 01/28/2003 8:06:32 PM PST by WarSlut
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To: BartMan1
"The governor is a faithful, practicing Catholic who attends Mass in West Hollywood," said Russ Lopez, his spokesman. "We don't like abortion, but we do like choice on the issue. I'm wondering why the bishop is making a concerted effort to exclude and push away those Catholics who favor women having choice."

When the fetus gets a choice, Davis can have one too.

Do the women not have the choice to keep their legs together?

I heard it opined the other day that abortion and it's supporters will be seen in 100 years the way slave owners are viewed today.

I can't disagree.

67 posted on 01/28/2003 8:41:22 PM PST by IncPen ( God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly!)
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To: sinkspur; All
This report has been sooo heartwarming to read! A Catholic, myself, I have felt like my Church has very much let me down over the past few years. So hearing about a Bishop...from California, no less...who's basically fed up with Gov. Davis' sacrilegious behavior, and is in the advanced stages of calling him on it, is as sweet to my ears as the Ave Maria.
68 posted on 01/28/2003 9:01:44 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL ( http://www.petitiononline.com/adalert....... we need your help, FReepers)
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To: Desdemona
Exactly. Obey the rules (yes, ALL of them) or get out. That bishop is 100% right!
69 posted on 01/28/2003 9:21:58 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Polycarp
But Davis said he's going to continue to receive Communion anyway.

Looks like we have a little caesaropapist there in California.
70 posted on 01/28/2003 9:44:14 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: WaveThatFlag; Salvation
Let's not forget to write to the bishop and thank him for his strong stand. He likely needs the encouragement:

Contact Information
Bishops Office
Pastoral Center
2110 Broadway
Sacramento, CA 95818
Phone: 916-733-0200
Fax: 916-733-0215
71 posted on 01/28/2003 10:09:00 PM PST by Antoninus
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To: Polycarp
"The governor is a faithful, practicing Catholic heretic who hypocritically attends Mass in West Hollywood Pervertland," said Russ Lopez, his loudmouthed and overpaid spokesman.


72 posted on 01/28/2003 11:54:15 PM PST by ppaul
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To: dansangel
PING
73 posted on 01/29/2003 12:04:08 AM PST by .45MAN (America land of the free speech and home of the brave Republicans)
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To: victim soul
"I think the church is trying to distract from its own problems," said Bob Mulholland,

No, bobby, the Church is trying to clean up one of her problems. And you, sirrah, are part of the problem.

74 posted on 01/29/2003 6:06:57 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Polycarp
The babies who are aborted are distinguishable as boys or girls within hours of their conception and have beating hearts within 10 days.

This is way off. The baby's sex is not apparent until six or eight weeks, and the heart begins beating around 18 days.

75 posted on 01/29/2003 6:07:11 AM PST by Steve0113
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To: Thud
Do not repost comments that have been removed. Thank you.
76 posted on 01/29/2003 6:44:22 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Thud
Be careful about reposting the comments of others that your church has ***heads too. My original post was deleted for the nefarious reasons some Freepers believe in.

You are making very little sense. Had you been drinking when you composed this masterpiece?

Regardless, I am compelled to ask you, sir, what is it about the Catholic Church that so irritates you that you regularly contribute such ugly unprovoked attacks. You are not Catholic. You are not well informed. And you are not a very good writer. Why don't you just keep your bigoted thoughts wrapped up in that tiny head of yours?

77 posted on 01/29/2003 6:51:03 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: Polycarp
"The governor is a faithful, practicing Catholic who attends Mass in West Hollywood," said Russ Lopez, his spokesman. "We don't like abortion, but we do like choice on the issue. I'm WONDERING why the bishop is making a concerted effort to exclude and push away those Catholics who favor women having choice."

Could it be that abortion is against the teachings of the Church? People never fail to amuse me. Why should this dimwit have to "wonder"?


78 posted on 01/29/2003 6:55:36 AM PST by ladylib
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To: sinkspur
Unless the Pope starts excommunicating Catholic politicians for their stances on abortion, I doubt many bishops will resort to that drastic step.

But, public advocacy of abortion, as Davis and others have done, is contrary to Catholic teaching and Bishop Weigand and other priests who encounter Davis when he presents himself to receive the Eucharist should give him a blessing, and send him on his way.

There is another reason to take a firm stand on this and that is others are placed at risk of being lead astray from the Church's teaching on this subject. Davis places himself in a further state of sin because his example can lead others to believe that it is permissible to take contrary positions and still remain in good standing wrt receiving the sacraments. Likewise, church leaders who fail to act decisively send a similar message (we've seen the results of that in the sexual abuse scandal). In either case, the wounds fester and when it comes time to deal with the problem once and for all the cure will be that much more difficult and painful.

79 posted on 01/29/2003 7:03:00 AM PST by chimera
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To: victim soul; *Catholic_list; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; ...
Over the next few months, the American Life League (www.all.org) one of the country's largest anti-abortion organizations, will target other Catholic politicians and make a similar ultimatum.

"A lot of Catholics have had it with these politicians," said Joe Giganti, director of media relations for the Virginia-based American Life League.

In a campaign that Giganti says is the first of its kind in America, the group will sponsor ads in newspapers giving the names of Catholic politicians who favor abortion rights and their bishops. The group is calling on the bishops to deny these politicians communion until they change their ways.

The first ad -- labeled the "Deadly Dozen" -- will focus on high-profile U.S. senators, including Ted Kennedy, Tom Daschle, John Kerry and Barbara Mikulski. The second phase of the campaign will target governors, and Davis will be at the top of that list, Giganti said.

I'm proud to say that Tim Chichester, President of the Catholic Family Association of America, was one of the primary voices in encourging the American Life League to pursue this, and the Dirty dozen was taken at least in part from our Excommunication Petition work.

Judy Brown of the American Life League was one of the first high profile signatories to our petition and has worked closely with us on it.

We at the Catholic Family Association of America are working on getting a private audience with the Pope to present

1)the excommunication petition, to Excommunicate Culture of Death "Catholics" and

2) a plea to change canon law so that politicians who vote to expand/fund abortions or support the homosexual agenda are automatically excommunicated.

If you have not yet signed the excommunication petition, its not too late!

And please keep our efforts in your prayers, especially that our private audience with the Pope is secured and schedulued soon, to coincide with recent Vatican directives mentioned in the article above.

--Dr. Brian Kopp (Polycarp),
Vice President,
Catholic Family Association of America

Here is our request:

A Canonical Petition to Interdict or Excommunicate Culture of Death "Catholics"

TO:
Pope John Paul II,
Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic Church

Special Note: Part I of the petition requests changes in Canon 1398 to afford more protection for innocent life. Part II is a request for the 'medicinal' interdiction from the sacraments, pending repentance of grave public sin, and calls for excommunication of only those who stubbornly persist in supporting the Culture of Death. You incur no civil or financial liability in signing this petition.

FROM:
PETITIONERS

Mr. Stephen G. Brady, President, Roman Catholic Faithful
Dr. Craig Bozzacco, D.D.S., President, Dentists for Life
Mr. Michael Cain, Editor, The Daily Catholic
Mr. Vinny Ciappetta, President, National Cops for Life
Mr. Christopher A. Ferrara,
  President, American Catholic Lawyers Association
Dr. Brian J. Kopp, Columnist,
    Vice President, Catholic Family Association of America
Dr. Claude E. Newbury, President, Pro-Life South Africa;    Founding Member, Intrnl. Right to Life
   Regional Representative for Human Life Int.
Rev. Fr. John Trigilio, PhD, Editor, SAPIENTIA> Magazine;     Co-host EWTN's Web of Faith,
    
President, Confraternity of Catholic Clergy
Mrs. Judie Brown, President, American Life League, Inc.
Mr. Richard L. Bucci, President, Catholic Radio, NY
Mr. Timothy A. Chichester,
   President, Catholic Family Association of America, Inc.
Mr. William Cotter, President, Operation Rescue-Boston
Dr. Chris Kahlenborn, Author, "Breast Cancer: It's Link    to Abortion and the Birth Control Pill"
Mr. Phillip F. Lawler, Editor, Catholic World News
Charles P. Prezzia MD, MPH,
    President, Catholic Medical Association
Mr. Joseph Scheidler, Director, Pro-Life Action League
Donna Steichen, Author of "Ungodly Rage"
Monica M. Miller, Ph.D., Author
(Remainder to be filled upon closing of the signatory phase)

WHEREFORE, Plaintiffs request the following relief:

A. That Pope John Paul II, Supreme Pontiff of the Catholic Church take jurisdiction of this petition.

B. That Canon 1398 be changed to read: "A person who deliberately enables an abortion or euthanization incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. An elected or appointed official who votes for legislation enabling abortion or euthanasia or who publicly propagandizes for or promotes abortion or euthanasia incurs a latae sententiae excommunication."

C. That he issue to the bishops specific directives concerning the implementation and enforcement of interdiction and excommunication for public promoters of abortion, euthanasia and other forms of direct attack upon life.

D. That he publicly order Defendants to:
1. Refrain from any act or statement which enables, supports or condones abortion, euthanasia and other
forms of direct attack upon life.
2. Publicly repent and retract their errors and promise no further acts and/or statements
which enable, support or condone abortion, euthanasia and other forms of direct attack upon life.
3. Refrain from reception of the sacrament of Eucharist until the above orders have been followed.

E. That he publicly declare that Defendants' acts and/or statements as alleged are:
1. Contrary to and inimical to the faith of the Catholic Church ;
2. A scandal to the Mystical Body of Christ, the faithful of the Catholic Church ; and
3. A sacrilege to the Real Body and Blood of Jesus Christ when Defendants receive
the sacrament of the Eucharist.

F. In the event that any Defendant fails to follow any of the above orders to publicly
excommunicate him or her from the Catholic Church .

Dated at (to be implemented upon closing of the signatory phase)

80 posted on 01/29/2003 9:44:57 AM PST by Polycarp
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